Spiritual Fall In University

[Guest guptsinghni]

I am starting University this year, Mahraj di kirpa nal i haven't commited sumthing with the opposite sex that i regret,, but as i get older it seems to get harder, Naturally we are attracted to the opposite sex, and the other thing is the environment at Uni, girls and guys hang out, go to eachothers places, they are way to open and personal, i just see so much room to fall,

I kno ppl have gone thru Uni and they have kept their high moral character, but i feel like kaam is being thrown in my face, and i am being tempted, Its scary i dont want my Preeti(Love) with Guru Sahib to break off and fall into mayas trap,

I dunno how many times iv been born and i obvously made a mistake thats why i am here again, i feel i have very low confidence,

But it Pisses me off nowadays when i guy trys gettin close to me, i wouldnt be a female dog about it, unless they really do sumthing stupid,

I hate it, Guys will say Fateh and they totally dont look at me like a sister, they say Bhanji but the look in their eyes is grose, I am not saying i can read minds, but i am very intuitive, so when i am in balance i am able to read ppl, Not all guys are bad

The thing is when u start hanging out with ppl at uni that hang out with guys u start to think its okay to flirt this that, im scared, i dont want to loose this life to this stupid crap

[Guest brother]

after 7 years at uni, and as an amritdharri, my advice is that, u either choose a uni where u will stay at home and can travel each day, like you local city. or DONT GO UNI.

if ur not strong enuf, chances are u will fall into the trap, then u wont wana leave the person u go out with n ur parents wont agree to u being with him etc etc. I managed to go to uni and not fall into this trap, guru di kirpa naal, but i saw it so much.

Its chaos, and i would never ever want my kids to study away from home, after seeing what i saw

but everything is in maharajs hukam, try to focus on ur study and ur sikhi. Remember that if u wish to be a sikh of the guru then u have to live like one, Maharaj will guide u and help u but u also have to prevent such things

I dont wana scare u from education, but be careful, so id also like to add, thers a lot of chardikala singhs and singnia who go uni and dont fall into these traps. stick with the other girls n u shud be fine

[Guest akaal power!]

fateh ji

I am coming to the end of my first year at uni so I think daas can say something about my experiences.

Yeah basically you have to set a boundary that you aren't gonna make friends with males. And try to avoid any unneccesary time spent at uni. Uni is for education. In my opinion we should try to just go in for whatever is needed (lectures, seminars, etc.) and then go straight back home. There is no need for staying around any longer than this, as this is the time when most of this rubbish happens. Also, there is no need to waste time 'socialising' and getting corrupt thoughts put in our head even from the same gender, uni chit chat is absolute rubbish. like i sed uni is something we go to to get educated, as part of grist jeevan, but other than that our focus is still Sikhi. And above all ardaas, and try not to forget simran/bani at uni.

Please read the following two, and keep these in mind when you are meeting people in uni (think, do any of these people, no matter how nice they are, actually fit into these descriptions in bani?)

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=2956

Think about it this way, it says 'thieves' in the bani, don;t think just because someone is not a burglar they are fine, people do little things like cheating train fares, etc. this is a sign of immorality. Same way the bani says 'prostitues', I personally would say this warns us away from those type of 'free' people who always have there minds on you know waht, and so many different people at once. Notice how it says about making freindships with and eating with them. one thing which I am sooo thankful to maharaj is that long before starting uni Guru Ji did kirpa and I stopped eating out at restaurants, becasue of this barrier I had, I was stopped socialising with majority of people in the first few week of uni, this helpes me so much in keeping out of bad company as if people were meeting somewhere to eat, I just couldn't go This was at a time when i thkn i still may have been tempted to get into the 'uni life'.

Also please read this:

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=2216

And please listen to this:

Go to sikhicamp.org, 2009 audio, and listen to the gupt singh talk on chaupai sahib, its all about avoiding the kind of things u want to avoid.

bhull chukk maaf

GURFATEH!

[Guest uni singh]

VaheGuroo Jee Kaa Khalsa VaheGuroo Jee Kee Fateh...

penj, kam's tried to get a hold of me at uni as well and it is so hard as this is one of my main weaknesses, and it is so strong that so many bad kami thoughts come into my mind....but then i started listening to Chandi Di Vaar in the mornings and im not saying im special or anything, but its like Guru Jee gives me this strong protection that my mind and my eyes will look the other and forget the kand that i see at uni and the bad thoughts don't come into my mind either (:D )...

you say:

''I dunno how many times iv been born and i obvously made a mistake thats why i am here again, i feel i have very low confidence'' ..

... Sant Mahapurakhs say that you must have done something good in your previous joon (life) to obtain this life as a Sikh, so don't put yourself down!, to help your confidence, first ask yourself why are you sad or identify your weaknesses, and work on them or strengthen your Sikhi so you can reflect on things that you turned from a weaknesses (e.g. weak on sikh history, or lack of reading only 5 bania of nitnem) to a strength

Regarding Singhs that say Fateh and look in a disgusting way..... - sadly thats something that is becoming a common trend amongst the ''sikh'' society, because theres even singhs that be checking out bibiya at Gurdwara's...

Personally penji a highly spirited Singh told me once, before going outside to the Kaljug world, do a meaningful ardaas (even if its a short one) and ask Guru to protect you from kam, krodh, lobh, moh etc and protect you from the fires of this kaljug tharthi (world)

I hope i have been some help,

p.s. if by listening to Chandi Di Vaar Guru Jee give strong protection, God knows how much Guru Jee will give a Sikh for actually reading the Bani

Forgive me if i have said anything offensive, i do not intend to cause offense

[Guest Guest]

The simple answer is not to socialise with singhs, it isnt difficult.

[Guest uni]

Its the age, this is when we have grown up and we are at the peak of our beauty(joban roop) becuz we are proud of our bodies we have this false confidence that this is my body, we dress up and try to get the atention of the opposite sex,

Maya makes it seem like fun, but it is just pain, we fall for sumone and then we go to far and its too late to let go, so much room for kalara,

in our generation the majority does post-secondary education and becuz of our punjabi background, our parents could be really strict, so when we go to uni we go a bit crazy ahem partying - drinking - doing stupid stuff

Some guys are horrible and they flirt with every girl, and they have no sharam, theyre c.ocky ,,

and there hormons are out of control, just stay away from guys ur age, but seriously u cant trust any guy even if he is amritdhari, u dont kno when u or him could falll,

we are innocent until we see and hear these things first-hand,

its disgusting, seriously flirting with fellow sikh guys and girls means u are flirting with UR siblings! grose!

Maharaj can only save us if we surrender ourselves in Maharaj dey charan,

especially with all the stress and pressure with skool we fall back in bani and strength to fight the vices, we get caught offguard by Maya

oh Waheguru save ur Children from this Fire, Bless us with Purity of Intention and Let us Project ourselves truly as ur Children

[Guest Guest]

In 2012 will be a paradigm shift. Then people will know the true nature of reality. Going to university, is being a slave to the system, that they created. Time will come when people, will be able to get the true education, and knowledge, where we will have no fear of money, or sustenence. Because we will be able to provide for ourselves. As it is God who gives us sustenence. But sadly do this dark age of kalyug, people are forced to be slaves of the system. They can't see any other way out. E.g. if we don't go uni, how we gonna get a good job? good education, good home? etc. That is the thought process of the dark ages, because we don't see anyother way out. Because we are scared of maya. Time will come when we remember the awesome power of God, and that we do not need to be slaves to this system, but a slave to God. When people wake up, they will realize their true potential, and that they already have everything they need in their homes. The home that God blessed us all with. The human body. Within the body is contained everything. When we wake up to reality, we will not need to rely on man made systems. Truth is we don't need them to live now, just that we are scared of maya, and our perception of reality is severely limited. That is why we must get closer to God, remember he is all-powerful to do everything, yet we still run to maya. But one day we will wake up. Cannot believe that Guruji's Sikhs need to attend all these places which has no significance to the true purpose of our lives, spending most of your life working hard for something which you cannot even take with you when you die. It is because we have fear, but if we go to Guruji he can remove that fear, and make our lives sikhi orientated. Instead revising for hours on end pointless rubbish, you can revise the name of Waheguru. But we are too much attached to maya. Therefore we must do amrit vela. Even by doing all our nitnem with all our heart and devotion, no fears, troubles can even stand in our way. But we are in a deep trance, a deep sleep. We got to wake up. Think our lives through, why did we come to this Earth? A world spiritual awakening is happening, but its up to us to sort our selves out. We have been blessed with Sikhi, so lets use it, put it into action. Conquer your mind, conquer the world. Why do we need a driving licence to drive? we don't its just our thought process, because we are scared of the system of maya. But we keep forgetting the fear of God. Seek God, to help out problems, he is the source of all, there isn't anything which he cannot do.

[Guest guptsinghni]

Thank you so much for the eye-opening replys,

I just really felt the pressure from my parents and forgot that i have free-will,

And my parents mentality is sadly-- that u have to go to uni! everyone goes to uni this that, all comparisons going back to the sansar and how the sansarly mind works,

thats where we loose the gurmat,

Bhai Parminder Singh ji(Late Bc Kathavacak) Said sumthing similiar to this----that everyone thinks about what will make people happy---make my parents happy,

why don't we think what will make Guru Sahib happy?

I love u sangat ji, I love u Guru Sahib,

Sarbloh Granth Recording-Giani Inderjit Singh Ji

ਜਗ ਬੰਦਨ ਜਗ ਬੰਦਨ ਜਗ ਬੰਦਨ ਜਗ ਬੰਦਨ ਹੇ ਹੇ ਹੇ ਹੇ ॥੨॥੬੮॥੬੦੦॥੨੯੧੯॥

(Siri Sarbloh Granth Sahib)

[Guest gupt]

Guest and uni, I like your thinking.

I lived out at uni but moved home because I messed up pretty bad, I was an angel compared to every single other asian girl in my halls, for some reason (prob that they're asian lol!) they were like the biggest you know what's ever.

I like the thinking of both Guest and Uni, It is rare that I actually sit back and think of uni in the scheme of things, when you're there lecturers stress you out so much like it's life or death and uni's the most important thing in the world requiring like 90% of your constant attention, They make the work seem so much harder than it is,

but seriously considering the fact that we're living in the darkest age ever with demons, ghosts and kaljug all around us and trying to attack us daily I've got bigger things to worry about like how i'm gna protect my body mind and soul 24/7 from possible demonic and ghost possession and clean enough in order for god to accept me and help me do this.

I've got things like I could be raped while walking home, hit by a car or truck while crossing the road, beaten up by a fellow student (<banned word filter activated> fights these days can get pretty violent) etc, and I've gotta keep my body mind and soul clean again so god is willing to protect me and so that I actually deserve his protection.

My biggest worry though is securing a place by gods side for this life, I need to gain enlightenment before I die which could be any day now or I'll be wasting my precious 1 in an 84 million or so chance to achieve this.

So i say, If your goal in life is to find god lust anger greed and ego are easy things to overcome, your hunger for eternal bliss and your true family and home should be more, crush them with this hunger and love for god, along with your thirst for gurbani and naam jaap, and move ahead and achieve your goal.

The rest will fall into place if you ask god to take care of you after easily becoming pure.

[Guest SinghOnTheWing]

As a Singh who has took Amrit within this last year and just finished his first year university I'm not gunna lie, kaam is everywhere you go. It got worse for me as I went to university. It if it wasn't for the following things I wouldn't have made it through:

1. As menitioned, spend only the amount of time needed at school!

2. Many saint's say that the key to ones mind is their eyes, it all depends on what you see. If your looking at every person who passes you, your gunna see those one or two people who catch your attention (kaam wise). Sooo, look at the ground when walking! Don't meet people in their eyes. I've heard Sant Baba Harnam Singh Ji would barely look at bibiyah in their eyes, even when they were talking to him.

3. Sangat. It's important that if there's any sikh association/kirtan get together group or what not that you go to, make sure it's known your only their for sangat/Bani. Don't stay and socialize. Do your Bhagti and leave!

4. Ardas to Guru Sahib is the most important, and it seems like you already understand that b/c you said you've been listening to Chandi di vaar, and thats great!

5. Something that also helps me is having kirtan blasting in my ear wherever I go, It cut's out other people's conversations and any other bad stuff I might hear. It's all about your eye's and ears. Control your senses with Gurbani. Man Jeethai Jag Jeet!

Good Luck Benji!