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i know alot of sikh parants put their kids into other martial arts like kung fu and stuff, how can we get the message out to these parants that these martial arts are usually only good if your kid wants to be a movie star and rather then wasting time and money on kung fu and stuff they should put their kids into mixed martial arts schools were they can train in muay thai boxing ji jitsu wrestling judo things that really work

ive taken kung fu when i was a kid and that stuff will get me killed in a street fight if i ever tried using it, its only good for show

and if we can take these kids put in these other martial arts and get them put into mma i think that would have a huge impact and we'd start seeing alot more role models makign their way up and seeing them on tv

well ive been doin a martial art for abou 8 years now (got a black belt ph34r.gif ;-) ). and i completely disagree. u cant use the fact that u did kung fu when u were a kid as a valid example bcos u were indeed just a kid. if u want i can prove that martial arts work- gimme a time and a place ;-) (that was a frendly joke b4 admins come along and kik me off the forum happy.gif ).

Mixed martial arts is good, but shastar vidhiya/gatka is the best in my opinion. cool.gif

Never been defeated before smile.gif

i disagree. i think shastar vidya is not going to help at all now. u pull put ur kirpan and shastar in a real life fight and use it against someone then ur gna get kirpan banned for sure. instead i think gatka and shastar vidya are more for show- although it may be important to learn it, realisticaly ur never going to use it on streets etc.

Read my other post -.-.

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Mixed martial arts is good, but shastar vidhiya/gatka is the best in my opinion. cool.gif

Never been defeated before :)

Fateh Ji

I totally disagree, I think in todays day an age, we need to aquire skills and keep developing them.I advise all young Sikhs to get into boxing as its the quickest way to get someone down, then gradually moving into grappling etc. Gatka for me has become a show event but in an ideal world would not really help for self defence.

bhul chuk maaf karni

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fatteh

shastar vidya/gatka wud be good if we started to revive it :)

I have a feeling tht during the next few years things mite change all of us will realize ourselves and then begin to follow the miri piri way(spiritual physical political etc)

WJKK WJKF!

revive it? Only one lone Nihang is doing that sewa....Nihang Niddar Singh.

i know alot of sikh parants put their kids into other martial arts like kung fu and stuff, how can we get the message out to these parants that these martial arts are usually only good if your kid wants to be a movie star and rather then wasting time and money on kung fu and stuff they should put their kids into mixed martial arts schools were they can train in muay thai boxing ji jitsu wrestling judo things that really work

ive taken kung fu when i was a kid and that stuff will get me killed in a street fight if i ever tried using it, its only good for show

and if we can take these kids put in these other martial arts and get them put into mma i think that would have a huge impact and we'd start seeing alot more role models makign their way up and seeing them on tv

well ive been doin a martial art for abou 8 years now (got a black belt ph34r.gif ;-) ). and i completely disagree. u cant use the fact that u did kung fu when u were a kid as a valid example bcos u were indeed just a kid. if u want i can prove that martial arts work- gimme a time and a place ;-) (that was a frendly joke b4 admins come along and kik me off the forum happy.gif ).

Mixed martial arts is good, but shastar vidhiya/gatka is the best in my opinion. cool.gif

Never been defeated before smile.gif

i disagree. i think shastar vidya is not going to help at all now. u pull put ur kirpan and shastar in a real life fight and use it against someone then ur gna get kirpan banned for sure. instead i think gatka and shastar vidya are more for show- although it may be important to learn it, realisticaly ur never going to use it on streets etc.

get your head checked I think your trying your dastaar a bit too tight as it seems that you are confused seeing as you think and shastar vidiya are the same things. shastar vidiya for show? your having a laugh.

you have never seen the true shastar vidiya bet you havent even stepped in Niddar Singhs Akhara, you talk about how the vidiya wont help us now, your a joke you dont know jack.dont comment on things you dont know.

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Mixed martial arts is good, but shastar vidhiya/gatka is the best in my opinion. cool.gif

Never been defeated before :)

Fateh Ji

I totally disagree, I think in todays day an age, we need to aquire skills and keep developing them.I advise all young Sikhs to get into boxing as its the quickest way to get someone down, then gradually moving into grappling etc. Gatka for me has become a show event but in an ideal world would not really help for self defence.

bhul chuk maaf karni

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fatteh

shastar vidya/gatka wud be good if we started to revive it :)

I have a feeling tht during the next few years things mite change all of us will realize ourselves and then begin to follow the miri piri way(spiritual physical political etc)

WJKK WJKF!

Shastar vidhiya also has it's boxing and hand to hand skills, i'm not saying not to pursue mma i actually would encourage it lol. :)

Just saying i'd prefer shastar vidhiya/gatka over it.

For a start forget about all the comemrcial martial arts Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu etc...they have all been watered down...boxing is too 1 dimensional and will not stand up against a skilled opponent.

Learn some pure martial arts which have true battlefield background such as the Fillipino arts Kali, Eskrima, Panantukan (hands free dirty boxing), Arnis is also good. Also forgrt about Gatka it's a waste of time jumping around with an oversized stick is not going to defend you on the street yet alone the battlefield..we all know Gatka is a watered down exhibitionist display art not a true battlefield combat system.

Shastar Vidiya as taught by Niddar Singh in the UK is also very good from what I have seen of it is a no-nonsense pure no-holds barred art encompassing hands free, grappling, weapons, fighting multiples etc...A lot of sangat may not agree with Niddar Singhs views but for his efforts at promoting and teaching the art he must be respected, hi skill level has to be seem to be believed. Do NOT confuse Shastar Vidiya as with the exhitionist gatka stuff you see they are worlds apart. If there are any UK guys around, Nidhar Singh demonstrating at the Martial Arts Show Birmingham NEC in a couple of weeks go check it out..

Krav Maga the isreali art also looks intresting but it's no a unique art, it's copied from the filipino arts, still effective though. MMA is also worth learning but it is too much governed and run by rules..on the stree or battlefiels there are no rules..

exactly at least you arent living in a 'kookoo land' thinking gatka is a martial art, thumbs uppp

http://www.themartialartsshow.com/

http://www.themartialartsshow.com/Shastar%20Vidiya.html

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I've heard a lot about Nidhar, i heard he has a lot to provide but from what I hear he has very weird Hindu views and has been accused of performing adultry at clubs?

Also gatka is halfway like shastar vidkhiya from what I know. In the Dasam Granth Bani it talks about the pentra for footwork. The daas vaar with the shastar (say khanda or kirpan) mixed with attacking is effective(,meaning this is what the Singhs used back in the days to fight the mughals and brits), is it not? I'm asking this out of curiosity, I know you can't use this for self defense now a days.

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I've heard a lot about Nidhar, i heard he has a lot to provide but from what I hear he has very weird Hindu views and has been accused of performing adultry at clubs?

Also gatka is halfway like shastar vidkhiya from what I know. In the Dasam Granth Bani it talks about the pentra for footwork. The daas vaar with the shastar (say khanda or kirpan) mixed with attacking is effective(,meaning this is what the Singhs used back in the days to fight the mughals and brits), is it not? I'm asking this out of curiosity, I know you can't use this for self defense now a days.

I havent posted in over 7 months, I havent posted back on here to get into stupid arguements with people like you who think Niddar Singh would actually go to a club. Dont believe everything you hear use your own brain.

gatka is not half way like shastar vidiya two completely different things, visit the akhara.

Adaptation is the key.

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Mixed martial arts is good, but shastar vidhiya/gatka is the best in my opinion. cool.gif

Never been defeated before smile.gif

Fateh Ji

I totally disagree, I think in todays day an age, we need to aquire skills and keep developing them.I advise all young Sikhs to get into boxing as its the quickest way to get someone down, then gradually moving into grappling etc. Gatka for me has become a show event but in an ideal world would not really help for self defence.

bhul chuk maaf karni

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fatteh

shastar vidya/gatka wud be good if we started to revive it smile.gif

I have a feeling tht during the next few years things mite change all of us will realize ourselves and then begin to follow the miri piri way(spiritual physical political etc)

WJKK WJKF!

revive it? Only one lone Nihang is doing that sewa....Nihang Niddar Singh.

i know alot of sikh parants put their kids into other martial arts like kung fu and stuff, how can we get the message out to these parants that these martial arts are usually only good if your kid wants to be a movie star and rather then wasting time and money on kung fu and stuff they should put their kids into mixed martial arts schools were they can train in muay thai boxing ji jitsu wrestling judo things that really work

ive taken kung fu when i was a kid and that stuff will get me killed in a street fight if i ever tried using it, its only good for show

and if we can take these kids put in these other martial arts and get them put into mma i think that would have a huge impact and we'd start seeing alot more role models makign their way up and seeing them on tv

well ive been doin a martial art for abou 8 years now (got a black belt ph34r.gif ;-) ). and i completely disagree. u cant use the fact that u did kung fu when u were a kid as a valid example bcos u were indeed just a kid. if u want i can prove that martial arts work- gimme a time and a place ;-) (that was a frendly joke b4 admins come along and kik me off the forum happy.gif ).

Mixed martial arts is good, but shastar vidhiya/gatka is the best in my opinion. cool.gif

Never been defeated before smile.gif

i disagree. i think shastar vidya is not going to help at all now. u pull put ur kirpan and shastar in a real life fight and use it against someone then ur gna get kirpan banned for sure. instead i think gatka and shastar vidya are more for show- although it may be important to learn it, realisticaly ur never going to use it on streets etc.

get your head checked I think your trying your dastaar a bit too tight as it seems that you are confused seeing as you think and shastar vidiya are the same things. shastar vidiya for show? your having a laugh.

you have never seen the true shastar vidiya bet you havent even stepped in Niddar Singhs Akhara, you talk about how the vidiya wont help us now, your a joke you dont know jack.dont comment on things you dont know.

hello mr caveman.

nope my keski is actually rather loose at the moment...

let me rephrase my last post:

go ahead and learn shastar vidya- but i would advise not placing ur shastar inside some one elses body in a fight unless you want kirpans banned :-). yes it is impt to learn, but unless you live in a country which allows you to use weapons in fights then your not going to be able to really use it.

if you want to learn how to "street fight" then take up boxing or something like that etc. if you still think im a joke for advising not to use shastars in a fight then i couldnt care less. theres too many sad people like you looking for arguments on this forum- get a life.

anyway this is my last post on this topic i have much better things to do...

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Mixed martial arts is good, but shastar vidhiya/gatka is the best in my opinion. cool.gif

Never been defeated before smile.gif

revive it? Only one lone Nihang is doing that sewa....Nihang Niddar Singh.

i know alot of sikh parants put their kids into other martial arts like kung fu and stuff, how can we get the message out to these parants that these martial arts are usually only good if your kid wants to be a movie star and rather then wasting time and money on kung fu and stuff they should put their kids into mixed martial arts schools were they can train in muay thai boxing ji jitsu wrestling judo things that really work

ive taken kung fu when i was a kid and that stuff will get me killed in a street fight if i ever tried using it, its only good for show

and if we can take these kids put in these other martial arts and get them put into mma i think that would have a huge impact and we'd start seeing alot more role models makign their way up and seeing them on tv

well ive been doin a martial art for abou 8 years now (got a black belt ph34r.gif ;-) ). and i completely disagree. u cant use the fact that u did kung fu when u were a kid as a valid example bcos u were indeed just a kid. if u want i can prove that martial arts work- gimme a time and a place ;-) (that was a frendly joke b4 admins come along and kik me off the forum happy.gif ).

Mixed martial arts is good, but shastar vidhiya/gatka is the best in my opinion. cool.gif

Never been defeated before smile.gif

i disagree. i think shastar vidya is not going to help at all now. u pull put ur kirpan and shastar in a real life fight and use it against someone then ur gna get kirpan banned for sure. instead i think gatka and shastar vidya are more for show- although it may be important to learn it, realisticaly ur never going to use it on streets etc.

get your head checked I think your trying your dastaar a bit too tight as it seems that you are confused seeing as you think and shastar vidiya are the same things. shastar vidiya for show? your having a laugh.

you have never seen the true shastar vidiya bet you havent even stepped in Niddar Singhs Akhara, you talk about how the vidiya wont help us now, your a joke you dont know jack.dont comment on things you dont know.

hello mr caveman.

nope my keski is actually rather loose at the moment...

let me rephrase my last post:

go ahead and learn shastar vidya- but i would advise not placing ur shastar inside some one elses body in a fight unless you want kirpans banned :-). yes it is impt to learn, but unless you live in a country which allows you to use weapons in fights then your not going to be able to really use it.

if you want to learn how to "street fight" then take up boxing or something like that etc. if you still think im a joke for advising not to use shastars in a fight then i couldnt care less. theres too many sad people like you looking for arguments on this forum- get a life.

anyway this is my last post on this topic i have much better things to do...

What makes you think someone who learns shastar vidiya would use a 'kirpan'? for starters most kirpans are blunt better off using a spoon. doesnt shastar vidiya work in the street fighting mentality? if it doesnt why am I going?

you do understand there is a unarmed system then you will move onto weapons IF you are good enough.

Like I said on a previous post....

I havent posted in over 7 months, I havent posted back on here to get into stupid arguements......

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I've been to the akhara to have a look, you can see as well as read on the website that the Vidiya is a complete system...i.e: there is a complete hands free sytem incorporating punching, kicking, grappling, joint locks, small joint manipulation, joint breaking etc.. Remember this is a battlefield syatem that covers all eventualities...if you loose your weapons the battlefield you must be skillied in hand to hand hands free otherwise you will basically be killed. Unamed fighting is known as "platha" and can use karas as striking objects, i.e iron fist boxing "loh mushti".

The closest i've seen to this is the Filipino Panantukan hands free dirty boxing. But seriously chaps if you ever get a chance go and check out Nidhar Singhs akhara...I have seen and have knowledge of boxing, shotokan free style karate..i've been to a few eskrima/panantukan/kali classes and I can vouch that SV is very good.

Where all these rumours about going to clubs, and pre-marital explouits etc etc...I never heard any such thinngs in the clasess I attended, I havent been for a while due to work commitments. Yes I wll admit the whole Sanatan Sikhi philospophy, etc..may not be consistent with your views...but this is not a religious class...it';s amartial arts class...go and learn the Vidiya take what you need... Peronally from what i've seen Nidhar Singh has a lot of haters..who for some reason or the other being insecure..like to spread false rumours about him on the internet..But they all lack the courage to go and confront him face to face intellectually or physically.

Now before I get flamed, I am not a Sanatan Sikh, nor am I affiliated to any jatha or organisation. These are just my personal viewpoints I read a lot of negative things about Nidhar Singh on the internet, but whenever I spoke to martial artists I know, he was always highly respected...Anyway don listen to the fake stories,...go with an open mind and see for yourself...Or go the Martial Arts Show NEC ... and contrast and compare SV with the other arts..you'll see how unique it is and how much respect it gets from students/tachers of other arts...

If you really dont want to go to the Niddar Singhs akhra then, learn the Filipino arts Panantukan, eskrima, kali from a PROPER instructor who will teach you the real stuff...not the watered down version..by real I mean..eye gouges, joint locks, knife skills etc..

Bottom line...ALL Sikhs boys and girls,.should learn how to defend themseves . Stop telling people that Gatka is a valid martial art...it is definiitely not. Do not learn any commercialised watered down arts. Cross train or study an art that encompasses boxing, grappling, kicking etc...

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no offence if anyone knows what their talking about they know traditional martial arts like kung fu would get killed in a mma ring, right now im training in mma and ive taken kung fu as a kid, im not going to say all traditional martial arts our a waste of time cause you do learn something that you can apply like 5%, thats why the traditional martial artist got killed in the ufc in the early stages in the 90's and ppl of backgrounds in ji jitsu wrestling muay thai judo came out on top,thats why mma wrestling judo ji jitsu muay thai boxing

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no offence if anyone knows what their talking about they know traditional martial arts like kung fu would get killed in a mma ring, right now im training in mma and ive taken kung fu as a kid, im not going to say all traditional martial arts our a waste of time cause you do learn something that you can apply like 5%, thats why the traditional martial artist got killed in the ufc in the early stages in the 90's and ppl of backgrounds in ji jitsu wrestling muay thai judo came out on top,thats why mma wrestling judo ji jitsu muay thai boxing

Yeh I agree, MMA is better than many commercialised martial arts...but MMA itself is watered down...many moves and strikes are banned in UFC it's goverened by too many rules.

- Small Joint manipulation is banned.

- Strikes to groin, eyes are banned.

- Striking to the back when on the ground is banned,

On the streets nothing is banned, anything goes...all the banned strike places "vvital points/kill points" are the bread and butter primary strike points of all real martial/battlefield arts..

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