Gobind Gita

[N30S1NGH]

Can someone provide any Panthic references (non Nirmala or Udaasee) that authenticate this scripture?

None of the above links provide information on this or the background of this pothi.

Do you consider this Gurbani?

Since when nirmale work became anti panthic sources? May be you should open your singh sabha box a bit and smell a sungundhi of guru maharaj garden he planted. Sikhi does not start from singh sabha lehar surely does not end with singh sabha lehar.

If you want take out nirmale work then panth have no history to take inspiration from before singh sabha movement. Gurpartap Soraj Parkash granth is one of few historic granths which is first thing taught in samparda's like damdami taksal both mehta and bhindranwale is written by no other than a nirmala- kavi santokh singh who was a student of bhai santa singh nirmal scholar. Faridkot teeka of sri guru granth sahib ji is written by nirmala scholars, very first sri dasam granth sampooran teeka written by nirmala pandit narian singh which is widely appreciated by the panth, new jathas including akj members- kulbir singh quote them from time to time.

To read more on nirmale orgins, contributions to the panth, please read stuff by tsingh on sikhawareness forum. One will learn thing or two with only open mind, this order is highly enrich and requires more than few post to understand them especially their bhek. One cannot judge them by wearing googles of tat khalsa.

Nimala history pervades much of Sikhi's past; exegetical, philosophical, dharmic/aatmic vidya, yog abhyaas, shaastrarth, raag vidya, ayurvedic vidya...Just an quick overview that many recent influential panthic figures were Nirmale or educated by Nirmale such as Sant Attar Singh Mustuana, Sant Baba Nand Singh ji (Nanaksarvale), Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale, Sant Sundar Singh Bhindranwale, Baba Jagjit Singh Herkhowal, Baba Jwala Singh Herkhowal, Sant Mukhtiar Singh Saarang, Sant Bishan Singh Muralewale...a few more famous historical Nirmale; Sant Ishar Singh ji Rarasahib, Baba Bir Singh Naurangabd, Baba Sahib Singh Bedi, Baba Karam Singh Hoti Mardan....

Would there be much Sikh history if it weren't for the work of Nirmala scholars like Gyani Gyan Singh ji works and Kavi Santokh Singh ji- soraj parkash granth?

Sant sunder singh ji bhindranwale link with nirmale:

Sri Maan Baba Sundar Singh ji took gian from Udasi and Nirmala Mahapurukhs, even bathing Jawala Das Udasi with his own hands to get knowledge of God, Baba Sundar Singh ji never discriminated or compartmentalized others like this he was so thirsty for brahmgyan he went wherever it was to be gained, he learnt from Baba Ram ji Udasi, Baba Gulab Singh Nirmala and Sri Maan Baba Bishan Singh ji Nirmala who was his Gurdev! Baba Bishan Singh ji travelled to Badree Nath and learnt Sanskrit from Pandit Tara Singh for 9 years--this is from Damdami Taksals own website--who are we with our Khlasa Utopian self-righteousness to question the ways of brahmgianis when our own forefathers were more open-minded than us. Are these Nirmale and Udasis good enough to instruct Sri Maan Baba Sunder Singh, but not good enough to be considered Sampardais when Guru Nanak Sahib and Guru Gobind Singh blessed both of these Sampardais?

first sant attar singh ji maustanewale link with nirmale

Sant ji initially learnt gurmukhi and paath from Sant Buta Singh in the local dera. Then it was through Sant Gyani Jodh Singh Ji, a Nirmala rom the naurangabad upsamrdaya, who was a granthi in the army, visited the local gurdwara, and become the inspiration for Sant ji to take amrit. Sant Jodh Singh ji was the shish of Sant Ram Singh Virakat, the shish of Bhai Maharaj Singh Ji. Sant Jodh Singh was one of the panj pyaray from whom Sant ji took amrit. Sant ji spent some time in Sant Jodh Singh ji's seva before becoming thoroughly virakat to perform tapasya.

Sant Ji went to Hazur Sahib during which time he befriended Svami Bhagat Singh Nirmala. ogether they went on a tirath yatra taking in Omkareshvar, Ujjain, Ajmer, Vrindavan, Mathura, Haridvar and Rishikesh. While in Rishikesh Sant ji would rise at 2am and take ganga ishnan, have his food with ganga jal, etc. Sant ji then went on yatra to joshimath, hemkunt sahib, gangotri, badrinath, etc. Sant ji met with a number of very importan Nirmala including Pandit Nihal Singh Thoha Khalsa. Sant ji attended the ardh kumbh mela in hardvar twice in his lifetime. The first time, Sant ji met with Pandit Ishar Singh Ji Dhodharvale and stayed in his ashram in Haridvar. Sant Ji also took part in a katha smagam in Haridvar put on by Nirmal Panchayti Akhara. Sant Ji was also very close to Sant Sahib Das Ji Udasi whose dera is still in Sangrur. Sant Ji heard the katha of Yog Vasistha from Sant Sahib Das. Sant ji's teachings are also advaita. One saakhi recounts that a Nirmala sadhu asked Sant Attar Singh Ji about bhagti and Sant ji explained that there are three levels; kanishta (meaning lowest) in which it is felt that there is jiva and a colossal number of other jivas, then madham (middling) in which one recognises jiva and colossal Braham, and uttam (highest) in which there is only Braham, pervading both yourself and the colossal world around you. Even after attending the Panch Khalsa Divan of Teja Singh, the next event in his biography was attending the ardh kumbh, implying no ideological affinity with Teja Singh beyond prachar. Sant Ji also met with and stayed with; Sant Bishan Singh Muralewale, Sant Chanda Singh of Damdama Sahib, Mahant Gulab Singh ji of muktsar (Sant ji attended the opening ceremony of Mahant Gulab Singh's bunga), Mahant Mastaan Singh Nirmala, Sant Ram Singh Thamali, among many others. Obviously Sant Ji met with many other great personalities during his life, but the Sants that he chose to spend time with were nearly always Nirmala.

Sant nand singh ji kalera link with nirmale

Details for the Baba Harnam Singh ji parampra . A key clue came from one of Baba Khem Singh ji's journals on Sriman 108 Baba Harnam Singh ji, in which there was a photo of a Nirmala I recognised who was being used as a source on life stories of Baba ji. This photo guided me to the right upsamprda. And here are the details...

Baba ji was part of the Pandhori Nijhraan upsamprda of Nirmalay. This is the full parampra for Baba Harnam Singh ji...

Guru Gobind Singh ji

Sant Bhai Seva Singh ji

Sant Milaap Singh ji

Sant Divaan Singh ji

Sant Mustaan Singh ji

Sant Mul Singh ji

Sant Ram Singh ji

Sant Harnaam Singh ji Bhuchowale

Sant ji had three important shish;

- Sant Nand Singh ji

- Sant Ram Singh ji Mulookewale (present shish is Sant Balwinder Singh ji I think)

- Sant Narayan Singh ji

Sant Khem Singh ji is present Mahant of Dera Rumi Wale.

The text does not refer to Sant Nand Singh ji having studied any adhyatamic vidya with Baba Harnam Singh ji (and judging by the author, he certainly would have outlined exactly what had been studied if he knew). This explains the lack of study of shaastraan in Nanaksar nowadays, and validates the claim of being bihangams (non-scholastic Nirmala). It states that Baba Harnam Singh ji in his lifetime also had darshan of his dada gurdev, Baba Mul Singh ji.

If it weren't for sant khalsa nirmale yudhas and tyagi-bairaagi nirmale scholars parchar in picture bottom along with other puratan samparda's like- nihangs and udasis, you would be sullah with your willy circumcised or you would be ganja with a tilak on your forehead and you won't be able to sit on leather chair at the moment and brag about contributions of singh sabha lehar.

It easy sit on a computer, claim others anti-panthic without studying any contributions. No group is perfect in the khalsa panth, every group has their own malech/bad apples, but its wrong to brush them all anti-panthic because of mistakes of few.

[kam1825]

What is a Panthic View??? Does that mean all sampardas are not panthic?? If so tell us know and we will break away from the SGPC who are like a cage on the mysticism of Sikhi.

Without the sampardas you have no historical or supportive texts about either the faith or history of the panth!!!!

[GPS]

True. One of the casualities of singh sabha movement was stifling of Nirmala schoalrship and we are most probably paying price for that today due to mushrooming anti sikh cult of missionaries who are in plain language nothing but atheists.

[.- Prabhjot Singh -.]

Thanks for that lovely image Neo Veerji

[.- Prabhjot Singh -.]

Having read the entire thread, I feel like making a humble benti at the feet of everyone - Please, please, please, please do not do nindya of any jathebandi/samprada/ang of Sikhi. We are all different branches of the same beautiful tree, please let it remain like that. Debate/clarify your doubts by all means, but just keep in mind not to hurt anyone's feelings by your comments. Thank you

[singhfauja]

I think most of you guys need to calm down.

I asked a simple question, and not a single one of you has answered it.

Can someone provide any Panthic references (non Nirmala or Udaasee) that authenticate this scripture?

None of the above links provide information on this or the background of this pothi.

Do you consider this Gurbani?

All I am asking is that can you give me any Panthic reference outside of Nirmala or Udaasee references that authenticate this bani.

How difficult is that to comprehend? Nirmalas and Udaasees recognize many scriptures and follow practices that the rest of the Panth does not.

If you are going to promote "Gobind Gita" in the rest of the Panth, then provide references that authenticate this bani. It is simple as that.

This is not about Singh Sabha vs. Nirmalas or Udasees. This is about the authenticity of a bani.

If this is the type of reaction given to a question on this forum - then I truly feel sorry for the rest of the visitors who ask such a question in the future.

[singhfauja]

N30S1NGH,

Your comments do not really deserve a reply.

It is easy to bad mouth the Singh Sabha Lehar now, but don't forget Gursikhs such as Baba Attar Singh Mastuana, Giani Dit Singh, Baba Sundar Singh Bhinderan, Bhai Vir Singh, Bhai Randhir Singh, Akali Kaur Singh were all part of this Lehar and the Gurdwara Sudhar Lehar.

Without them, there would have been murtis and shivlings across all Gurdwaras in India, as there were at Sri Dabar Sahib during the turn of the last century.

Think about this next time you mock this great Lehar.

[GPS]

Idols were installed by Mahants in harmandir sahib parkarma with a view to make money.Mission was to have more devotees for making more money rather than philosophical.

[kam1825]

Gobind Gita is in a number of puratan Dasam Granths and is recited by Hazuri Singhs and Nihangs and not really by either Nirmalas or Udasis

Udasis recite the Nanak Gita

[alias]

See Kam1825's blog here for more info about Nanak Gita. Read the comments by Kam also for answers to your questions:

http://sikhscripture...7.html#comments

K.

iv had a look at the link thanks...

where can i get this pothi from?? the naanak gita?

is it on line? if not, where in uk can i get it from?

thanks jeeoz