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Tell us which art was used when Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji fought. I have barely practiced Gatka, but I know it's very effective when you are taking on more than one person. The way the sword is guided with the hand allows a person to strike multiple times and keep moving. This fashion of fighting allows a person to kill many when he is out numbered.

When Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji and his Singhs were fighting wars, they were always out numbered. They needed a way to strike a person once and completely disarm them from getting up again and striking them. The speed of the sword and the hand that guided it was moving in ways that the enemy could not come near the Singhs. Even arrows were stopped with the movement of the sword. These were no weak Singhs or untrained Singhs. They had the strenght of a lion and had the mentality the fake Sikhs today can't even imagine.

Fencing is a one on one way of fighting which strengthens straight strikes. Fencing in no way is similar to Gatka.

These are exactly the sort of fairy tales that have been spread for too long... You do not waste strikes by pointlessly swinging your weapon around, you manouver with pentra and out-think/decieve/over-extend the enemy etc...depending on what style you are fighting in, what the situation is, who the enemy is etc.. The blows you deliver are all targeted at vital points on the body, there are no wasted blows..when you strike the strikes are intended to destroy limbs, destroy structure, inflict killing blows...i.e: the art of "Chatka" swift clean kills....If you are out numbered, over-powered, you cannot directly engage the enemy you must employ a hit-and run startegy, "skirmishing" snd avoid directly engaging the enemy..instead you gradually wear them down..

It all changes depending on the siutation..it;s not as simple as swing your sword around ...not only does ths waste a lot of energy and movment...it is not efficient.

What you do in gatka if you loose your weapons ? Is there any from or hands of hand to hand combat ? How do you fight when you are in battle formation ?..

Sword movement stopping arrows...be serious...mabe 1 or 2 arrows can be deflected...what your going to d when 20 , 30, 40 arrows are all coming towards you ?

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These are exactly the sort of fairy tales that have been spread for too long... You do not waste strikes by pointlessly swinging your weapon around, you manouver with pentra and out-think/decieve/over-extend the enemy etc...depending on what style you are fighting in, what the situation is, who the enemy is etc..

Let me guess you read the article at the propaganda(SPN) site or wrote it yourself and now can't see past reality. It happens when you get attached to a propaganda site as your source for truth. No worries your fairy tales are going to be exposed.

Did i ever say ONLY gatka was used by the Singhs. It is a shame people like you try to decieve others. Gatka was one of the main styles used along with others to fight off the enemy. Gatka gives the person a leverage when many people have surrounded the Singhs. When you are surrounded by the enemy then Gatka is the best style because each swing means either it will strike the enemy and keep moving or will give the effect of looking bigger. If you had ever read the Art of War then you would know many armies were defeated by just looking bigger than you are. But I forgot your here to decieve people and promote your garbage.

The blows you deliver are all targeted at vital points on the body, there are no wasted blows..when you strike the strikes are intended to destroy limbs, destroy structure, inflict killing blows...i.e: the art of "Chatka" swift clean kills....

Focusing on one enemy is what a baby would say or a person that is here to decieve others. Again the Sings are outnumbered so the use different ways to defeat the enemy. Ang Gatka was one of these ways.

If you are out numbered, over-powered, you cannot directly engage the enemy you must employ a hit-and run startegy, "skirmishing" snd avoid directly engaging the enemy..instead you gradually wear them down..

It all changes depending on the siutation..it;s not as simple as swing your sword around ...not only does ths waste a lot of energy and movment...it is not efficient.

Finally some honesty out of you. "It all depends on the situation" Finally we are getting somewhere. Singhs were trained in many ways, but the main one was Gatka because of its effective way of striking multiple times and keep moving through the enemy. Straight strikes and hitting and running puts a person back in enemies hand and the person becomes a sitting duck. Also a straigh strike means the weapon is stuck in the enemy and this makes the arm that was swinging the sword directly in the enemies hand, again the person becomes a sitting duck. With Gatka a peson is moving the sword behind him and in front and on the side and in the other hand you have a shield so the blows can't hit the Singh.

What you do in gatka if you loose your weapons ? Is there any from or hands of hand to hand combat ? How do you fight when you are in battle formation ?..

Why do you choose to be dishonest. You know Singhs were trained in hand to hand combat. Singhs always wrestled each other for training and kept shorter weapons on them. This is baffling to me. A person chooses an account name as Singh, but does not show that in his writing.

Sword movement stopping arrows...be serious...mabe 1 or 2 arrows can be deflected...what your going to d when 20 , 30, 40 arrows are all coming towards you ?

I know your a fake Singh, so you don't understand the shakti here, but atleast show some good character here and tell us that the Singhs also kept sheilds on them to protect them from incoming arrows and other weapons.

All I ask from you is to be honest when you discuss with anyone. All your doing is arguing to win, which is what the SPN crew does. They have no truth in their arguement so drop their ways.

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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

From the time of Guru Angad Sahib, the Sikhs were involved in wrestling akharas.

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurdwara_Khadur_Sahib

The Chinese were the greatest martial artists...with superior tactics and refined martial arts skills, they deemed themselves superior to all. Then, the British came and took over the country. So much for superior martial arts. Gee come to think of it, they also disposed of the Sikh Raaj and the Akali Nihungs. Gee, come to think of it, the Sikhs disposed of an "invincible" Mughal army and the "undefeatable" Pathans (the only ones to do so, even the Americans cannot), even though they were nothing but "low caste untouchables" that society spit on. Wonder if the martial arts was the downfall, or the ferverent resolve of the winner...hmmm.

Get over this macho nonsense. Learn whatever martial arts you can as best as you can and become a Guru of the Sikh. Insulting one martial arts over another is about as stupid as an apple insulting an orange. Next time, while Sikhs are fighting over which martial arts is superior, among other countless little stupid issues, some non-Sikh will come and shoot you in the face while you were distracted fighting each other. Oh wait...that is already happening globally on a large scale.

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Im not here to promote anything...just dispell some of the myth and nonsense that surrounds Gatka, it s not the traditional Sikh Martial Art...it is not a battlefield art, it contains a very small part of what may be called basic training for beginners..

If you want to learn about real blade skills or edged weapons...the Fillipino arts are far superior, Kali, Eskrima, Silat etc..

Your getting the picture slowly..you've acknowledge ...Gatka itself is not an art..it's a very small part of a much larger system encompassing..hand to hand combat, formation fighting, fighting against multiples, fighting with daggers, sword, mace, stick, Khanda, kirpan, club, sher panja, axe, lathi...and many other weapons...

You see in modern Gatka, they use overlength weapons, weapons whose weight have been reduced..It's turned into an exhibition art like a circcus act for crowds...You even get non original weapons such as the spinning wheel thing that Gatak performers use...

"Hit and run" I mean tactical retreat not what you seem you think run headfirst into the enemy...i.e: skirmish, fighting on the periphery ..and not directly engaging the enemy..either because you are outnumbered or outskilled...

Anyway, the point is not to put anyone down...just to open peoples eyes a bit...

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The evidence of the origins of the words used by Sikh Gatkabaaj is enough to show that it isnt just exclusive to them, the term Gattka means "Persian Sword Stick", the longer stick they used they call a "Maratti", which has its origins with the Marrattas of southern India. The fact that Gatkabaaj use the word "Ustaad" which is an islamic word for teacher, as opposed to Gurdev in Sikhism and Aacharya amongst the Hindus. Gatkabaaj use words such as Salami (not the sausage) as opposed to Namaskaran, and videos such as these which show the exact same movements, steps, strikes, positioning, striking stick on sheild, the drums etc and people still continue to ignore it.

"Weapons" such as the Chakri wheel were never used by the Gurus, and to think that it can deflect and block armour peircing arrows is ridiculous! These arrows would puncture and peirce through plated armour, as soon as something is trapped in the chains of this wheel its gonna fold and flap all over the place. And plus, if someone was waving that infront of you, youd shoot his hands off before he could throw it up in the air and spin on the floor with it and pass it onto his eager friend whos waiting to catch it.

Alongside that, no evidence of the term Gatka being used in any Sikh Ithihasic text solidifies the fact that Gatka was introduced to the Sikhs much later than the Guru period. This is not even touching upon the poor martial ability and flaws against using Gatka on a proper battlefield where they would end up killing their own through ludicris spinning and twirling. If Gatkas main weapon is being able to spin so fast and stop everyone coming in, why is it that in every video regarding Gatka there is never a clean kill, nor a clean strike. How long could someone maintain this spinning without getting tired in battles which would last hours upon end?

The differing and diverse types of weapons that are in the arsenal of Indian Warriors is probably the most vast amongst all martial cultures in the world, however when you look at Gatka, they use a limited amount of weapons and of those they use (khanda, tulwar, stick) they are always used in the same way, marora (which means having the runs) cheer, spin and repeat. Surely with so many types of weapons the ways to use them would be immense and varied, but what we witness is the same repetition and dramatics until the demonstration is made more interesting by someone puttin salt in their eyes, blind folding themselves and cutting a banana to the beat of a drum and strobe lights

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before he could throw it up in the air and spin on the floor with it and pass it onto his eager friend whos waiting to catch it.

LOL!

but what we witness is the same repetition and dramatics until the demonstration is made more interesting by someone puttin salt in their eyes, blind folding themselves and cutting a banana to the beat of a drum and strobe lights

yup, i remember having a banana cut on my neck as well!

probably the reason why gatka is more widespread s cos that the other types of combat mentioned are very hard to master, whereas you can learn to wave sticks around in 1 day.

One thing im really glad that someone has mentioned is wrestling. wrestling itself is supetrb for fitness and strength.

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The evidence of the origins of the words used by Sikh Gatkabaaj is enough to show that it isnt just exclusive to them, the term Gattka means "Persian Sword Stick", the longer stick they used they call a "Maratti", which has its origins with the Marrattas of southern India. The fact that Gatkabaaj use the word "Ustaad" which is an islamic word for teacher, as opposed to Gurdev in Sikhism and Aacharya amongst the Hindus. Gatkabaaj use words such as Salami (not the sausage) as opposed to Namaskaran, and videos such as these which show the exact same movements, steps, strikes, positioning, striking stick on sheild, the drums etc and people still continue to ignore it.

"Weapons" such as the Chakri wheel were never used by the Gurus, and to think that it can deflect and block armour peircing arrows is ridiculous! These arrows would puncture and peirce through plated armour, as soon as something is trapped in the chains of this wheel its gonna fold and flap all over the place. And plus, if someone was waving that infront of you, youd shoot his hands off before he could throw it up in the air and spin on the floor with it and pass it onto his eager friend whos waiting to catch it.

Alongside that, no evidence of the term Gatka being used in any Sikh Ithihasic text solidifies the fact that Gatka was introduced to the Sikhs much later than the Guru period. This is not even touching upon the poor martial ability and flaws against using Gatka on a proper battlefield where they would end up killing their own through ludicris spinning and twirling. If Gatkas main weapon is being able to spin so fast and stop everyone coming in, why is it that in every video regarding Gatka there is never a clean kill, nor a clean strike. How long could someone maintain this spinning without getting tired in battles which would last hours upon end?

The differing and diverse types of weapons that are in the arsenal of Indian Warriors is probably the most vast amongst all martial cultures in the world, however when you look at Gatka, they use a limited amount of weapons and of those they use (khanda, tulwar, stick) they are always used in the same way, marora (which means having the runs) cheer, spin and repeat. Surely with so many types of weapons the ways to use them would be immense and varied, but what we witness is the same repetition and dramatics until the demonstration is made more interesting by someone puttin salt in their eyes, blind folding themselves and cutting a banana to the beat of a drum and strobe lights

Yeah, gatka was introduced later then Guru Sahib time, and the Khanda Baba Deep Singh ji fought with was made out of plastic. Also Gatka is a Persian words so anything that is Persian, Hindu and Muslim can't be used by our Gurus, they are like the atheist Sikhs today. OOOOOO NO it says Raam or Allah, NOOOOOOOOOO it says Chandi, I have gone blind!!!!!laugh.gif

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Yeah, gatka was introduced later then Guru Sahib time, and the Khanda Baba Deep Singh ji fought with was made out of plastic. Also Gatka is a Persian words so anything that is Persian, Hindu and Muslim can't be used by our Gurus, they are like the atheist Sikhs today. OOOOOO NO it says Raam or Allah, NOOOOOOOOOO it says Chandi, I have gone blind!!!!!laugh.gif

so you still think gatka was used during thee 17th 18thC? if so your a fool.

No one can physically wing a khanda weighing soo much for hours on end, get realistic. How long can you swing around do figures of 8 and jump around for ?

If Gatka was used then why did guru gobind singh mention the word gatka? why did he write shastar vidiya? why did he write jung yudh? why did he write mall yudh? why didnt he just write gatka? seeing as thats what he practiced right?.

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so you still think gatka was used during thee 17th 18thC? if so your a fool.

No one can physically wing a khanda weighing soo much for hours on end, get realistic. How long can you swing around do figures of 8 and jump around for ?

If Gatka was used then why did guru gobind singh mention the word gatka? why did he write shastar vidiya? why did he write jung yudh? why did he write mall yudh? why didnt he just write gatka? seeing as thats what he practiced right?.

Total ignorance. Do you know that Shastar vidiya is combined of many styles of fighting. Includes hand to hand battles, weapons of various sizes,ect. Shastar Vidiya is all of the Sikhs teaches combine as one. Gatka is part of the training of Sharstar Vidiya, it's one of them.

Also can you explain to me what jung yudh and mall yudh mean?

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