Grays Sangat Votes To Allowe Alcohol, Meat And Tobacco

[Harmeet_Singh]

Interesting comments from panthic.org

param (June 2, 2010, 11:06 pm)

It hurts. What else to say...spiritual deprivation eventually manifests itself....small little principles has bigger impact in our lives if followed in heart and mind...which becomes difficult 'sometimes'.

[Charan Singh]

This news has reached punjab. Just been speaking to singhs in Amritsar who were asking who pardaan Gurdip Singh is. Apparently Avtaar Singh Makkar's PA raised it in discussion today.

[Satkaar]

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Sadh Sangat Ji,

On Sunday 6th june 2010 there will be a meeting of the Panj Singh Sahiban at Sri Akal Takhat Sahib, Amritsar. A presentation will be done to the Panj Singh Sahiban outlining what has happened in Grays, UK and will be filed as a new case of beadbi.

Please can you urgently forward any further pictures, videos or comments to satkaar@hotmail.co.uk.

Many thanks in advance

Satkaar Sabha

Satkaar@hotmail.co.uk

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

[gilli0billi]

My link

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=LKKaY_xBxJI

[SinghWarrior]

Thanks for the Sikhs that are helping to expose these masands. Sangat - please continue with your efforts. I don't want to take my kids to a Gurdwara where they see drunks coming out from it!

Keep phoning/emailing Sikh Channel for them to take up this issue. Once you have sorted out my local Gurdwara, we need to sort out the other Masands too!

[K Singh 82]

Just spoke to someone at Sikh Channel. They stated they would like it if emails could be written to them detailing what the issue is and what has happened. Then they can take the issue to their seniors.

Bentee to everyone is to please write to Sikh Channel, the more of us that write to them, the more likely they will cover this. This is a very serious issue and the very least we can do is call Sikh Channel and write emails to them.

Keep the calls going to the gurdwara sahib too.

[K Singh 82]

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Sadh Sangat Ji,

On Sunday 6th june 2010 there will be a meeting of the Panj Singh Sahiban at Sri Akal Takhat Sahib, Amritsar. A presentation will be done to the Panj Singh Sahiban outlining what has happened in Grays, UK and will be filed as a new case of beadbi.

Please can you urgently forward any further pictures, videos or comments to satkaar@hotmail.co.uk.

Many thanks in advance

Satkaar Sabha

Satkaar@hotmail.co.uk

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Bhai sahib jee when this issue is taken to the jathedaar sahibs can you also raise that this issue is not exclusive to just the Grays Gurdwara but affects dozens of other Gurdwara Sahibs throughout UK too. Maybe try to get a list of all other Gurdwara Sahibs that own Party Halls.

Its really good that Gursikhs are getting the Jathedaar Sahibs involved.

Thanks

[tri]

The people who hve passed this manmut are same as the gangu brahman, who worked at guru jis place for nearly 20 years asked mata gujri to accompany him to his village,after the vichoda with sri guru gobind singh jiGangu's greed for money turned him unfaithful.He quitly stole the money bag from under the pillow of Mata Gujri Ji while she was fast a sleep. When she got up in the morning she did not find the money bag under her pillow. She enquired from Gangu politely about the gold coins. The thief Gangu got annoyed at this questioning by Mata ji and started threatening her that he would get her arrested along with her grandsons for this accusation. Mata Ji tried to calm him down. Gangu had his eyes on the prize that he would receive from the Mughal rulers if he handed over the mother and two sons of Guru Gobind Singh to the police authorities. Accompanied by the village chief, he went to the police station at Morinda town and informed the station incharge about the preseence of Guru Gobind Singh's mother and his two youger sons in his house and requested him to bestow him prize money for helping the authorities in the arrest of fugitives.

so the people like these shoud be strriped of their posts and member ships,

why dont these people failao these gandgi in there own homes ?

does these people dosent find any other place on earth leaving gurudwaras?

SHAMEE ON THEM

[peaceful]

Please send this to all media.

The issue of whether meat and alcohol should be served at the hall which is next to and adjoining Gurdwara hall is one that has divided the local sangat in Grays. During a committee meeting, of the 14 members 10 voted against meat and alcohol being served on the Gurdwara premises. However the other 4 members managed to send out letters to the local sangat calling on them to attend the Gurdwara Sahib on Sunday 30^th May for an open vote in the sangat.

Three spokespeople stood and spoke against having meat and alcohol on Gurdwara premises. They put forward a compelling case based on Gurmat and quoted Gurbani, Rehitnamas and the Akal Takht Sandesh specifically banning party halls on Gurdwara grounds. It would at this point be conventional in a debate to hear the views of those in favour of the hall. However they chose not to speak and instead went straight to a vote. They had rallied the support of family and friends, so the arguments were irrelevant. When those present were asked to stand if they were in favour of the hall a handful stood up. Even those who had been called on the back of family allegiances seemed to have conscience attack and remained seated. At this point a gentleman with a turban and trimmed beard started pointing at people and instructing them to stand up. He was visibly annoyed by their reluctance. Within a few seconds most of the sangat were on their feet and the decision was made.

There were 8 Amritdhari Singhs from outside Grays who were present in the sangat and witnessed this. At this point one of these Singhs stood up and respectfully asked to hear the basis upon which these people had voted for meat, alcohol and tobacco on Gurdwara premises. Then three people spoke on stage about the virtues of having parties in the hall. The arguments were based largely on the facts that the hall would provide income for the Gurdwara from hiring charges; and as one spokesman said 90% of the local sangat (including himself) drink and eat meat so why should they not do so at the Gurdwara?

One man stood in the sangat and pulled out a pre printed list of who should be on the new committee for the party hall. This seemed to come as no surprise to the majority of those present who agreed. The new four member committee was set up.

At this point the 8 Singhs stood up and quietly started walking out of the Darbar hall. Despite their shock and disbelief at the events that at had transpired before their eyes their foremost concern was to respect the sanctity of Darbar Sahib and leave respectfully and quietly. However a handful of men started to goad them and told them to sit back down whilst laughing at the Singhs. The Singhs still quietly proceeded to leave.

Then without warning one woman stood and pounced on the last Singh. She hit him repeatedly (about 8 times) over the head. He kept his hands by his side at all times whilst trying to escape. Other women joined in and started to grab other Singhs. At this point other Singhs who were at the door to leave Darbar Sahib returned to calm the situation. By now the whole sangat were on their feet and some of the men started to push Singhs and encouraged the women to continue to hit the Singhs. At this point two or three women stepped in to stop the others and the Singhs managed to get away.

One Singh had to visit hospital with suspected concussion. The trauma of being attacked so viciously in the Darbar hall has traumatised many of the Singhs. One who has just kept his kes (hair) recently is inconsolable and will certainly need some sort of emotional counselling.

[whyhellothere]

I'm so shocked, how could this happen and how could people vote for something the gurus forbade in a place built solely for the purpose of the same gurus worship, these people are on crack!

Has anyone sent this to the sikh channel yet?