Why I No Longer Support The Sikh Channel

[gadget]

After some rather heated debate's on this forum regarding a new Sikh channel for the panth I must humbly apologise and agree it will be a good idea for the whole panth in the long run to have a choice of channels and if they do try to deceive the panth we will recognise the attack's.

So why the sudden change well initially I thought the Sikh channel was a god send and still do as it has kick started a mass media movement which in turn spreads sikhism to the world where it should be and allows many millions of people to join the Sikh fold which is inevitable but I and some other very puratan gursikh's noticed some very very worrying contradiction's in their broadcasting

- in one of the broadcasts's from a delhi gurdwara it had the Sarna brother's names in the end credit's

- the ramgharia community are trying to set up control of all european gurdwaras rather sadly under their control whilst promoting ekta one but splitting us with Punjab and SGPC

- the ramgharia community although sikhs have suddenly changed their stance on Jassa SIngh Ramgharia and will not change the name of the gurdwaras to our true gurus names in order to join with the SGPC (temporal seat of the Sikhs) they have explained this off by saying he was a warrior

- they openly attack the Akali's and try to weaken Sikh support for them in the West (a congress trick)

- many of their panel members are pro-congress (how I know I will reveal later)

- The khalistan discussion whilst promoting Khalistan debate was actually a ploy because of the two people brought in from India tried rather cleverly to say that first we need gursikhi in every sikh household and that khalistan would not work (disinformation) - by discounting the hundred's of thousand's of Monay sikhs they are effectively saying if you are not amritdhari you dont have a right to expect Khalistan which is a load of rubbish and in fact wipe's out half of our support. The sikh brother (hair cut) on the right of the panel corrected them

- whilst trying to effectively wipe out the caste debate the ramgharia are trying to assume moral priority over all communities in the West

- there is a rather worrying anti jatt stance by the channel which can be seen when there was a debate on newspaper advertisement for potential marriage partners and the panel laughed when they mentioned an advert and most of these were jatt that clean shaven jatt required (surely we need to be bringing all castes into the fold and not making jokes about them)

- There is nothing attractive that they have shown to bring the youth into Sikhi and just wasted airtime the people they have chosen obviously hand picked arent doing a very good job and some of the presenters cant even speak Punjabi

The channel has in my opinion tried its absoloute hardest rather cunningly to split all support in the West of the SGPC and the Akali party which in my opinion are much much better for us than congress who attacked Sikhisms holy place and killed many Sikhs.

Like I have mentioned before support of the Akalis is vital as they are the only Sikhs that are close to power in the Punjab and by splitting us from them and the SGPC no matter how much they may be corrupt they are effectively wiping all of the remaining power the Sikhs have out and making us much weaker.

The reason I am sure there is something strange going on in the channel is, there are many many more attacks on akali than any other party so this leads me to think that perhaps the channel is using its power as the first sikh channel to gain control and split all support for all sikh institutions in the West they even mentioned on one show that we should call our relatives in the Punjab and not support Akalis in the Punjab.

The voice of the SIkh channel is slowly changing from an all Sikh voice to a puppet of the Sarna brother's in Delhi and the voice of Rhamgaria of which over 60% secretly support congress and will do anything to break control of all Sikh gurdwaras by the SGPC.

What the readers of this site must accept is that all Sikh's monay Jatt Tharkhan Kumar all come under one banner which is what the Sikh channel should have promoted but slowly and surely they are changing and its becoming obvious they are breaking communities whilst not admitting it and also splitting all support from the Punjab communtities surely if we want to make Khalistan we need the support of Sikhs in Punjab but by splitting us with the only power we have in Punjab whether right or wrong they are effectively destroying the support of Khalistan.

Any Sikh channel staff reading this please mention to the family running this channel after the Jarnail SIngh video stunt by playing only the parts that will further split Sikhs you have effectively brought yourselves into the open about your actual intentions.

I hope the next channel does better

WJKKWJKF

And why is our support of the Akal Takht so vital well I will leave you with an article by a prominent Sikh to explain THIS IS WHY HINDUS AND UNDERCOVER SARNA BROTHER WANT TO SPLIT WESTERN SIKHS WITH SGPC :-

The word is "akal" and what we are celebrating today is in memory of the Akal Takhat.

Takhat means "Tirath". Tirath means that which has the base and which ultimately means sovereign. Takhat means throne. Throne was a place which was thrown away from God. So word is Akal Takhat. Timelessness. Throne of timelessness.

Depressed, emotional values and hopeless and useless confinement. These are the American values given to me today. In some people their egos and their emotions get together to the extent that they are worse than animals; they are beasts. When creativity becomes destructive, man is then lower than the animal. Because in the animal, sex is only controlled by the environmental time, and that is when the animal is in heat and then only they can create a sex. But humans have a direction, a mental direction, and have absolutely no time and space. Therefore the human creativity is based on a mental direction, not on time. So as a creature we have been given timelessness to begin with, as a matter of biological science, as a fundamental creativity in our consciousness. Barring that, our biological and our physical circumstances have been ingrained in timelessness rather than the animal. That's the difference. That's why we are considered superior and that the man and woman are created in a superiority of God's image. So basically, when we have an instinct to be distinct from that what is not and what is, it is called commitment and character and consciousness and intelligence.

So when the magnetic psyche conflicts with the time, energy and containment of the magnetic psyche into the relevancy of that creativity, it stimulates the entire organism into the being and the creative self is so creative that the intelligence and the discipline is not at that moment in a position to beat out the impulsiveness. Then the human mind becomes destructive, insensitive and very active and it very, very effectively creates a hysteria of expelling the energy and commotional and neurotic satisfaction. This is nothing but an interlock of the most beautiful human energy into lower-than-animal nature. It's called "beast" in the Western language - the beast which is forceful and effectively an onslaught of damage.

So what I'm explaining here today is that in Sikh Dharma we have a place we call Akal Takhat. It is the nerve center of the planet's psyche. It is the fundamental focal point of the planet's psyche and its sovereignty. It is a throne of timelessness.

All of our life we meditate to attach ourself to earth, deeper and deeper. And when we have to quit the body, this shell drops. All our other nine bodies are so interwoven that we cannot leave this earth.

Millions die but they cannot leave the magnetic field of this earth. Their souls cannot leave the magnetic field of the earth which a human in an airplane can bang right through. It is a most shocking miracle to surprisingly see it. A human with absolutely no meditative power can sit in a human-made airplane and bang through the magnetic field of the earth. But the soul cannot, because there's no penetrating creative spirit left. There's no mental attachment or mental projection to create us with a basic Infinity when it was in physical being.

So to uplift that that characteristic... uplift that being... Guru Hargobind found out this nerve center, this focal point of the planet's psyche and built a throne for the entire mankind. And he made the Sikhs the servants and the guardians of it. We as Sikhs don't own that Takhat. We serve that Takhat. We are the guardians of that Takhat. And our job and our devotion and our dedication to that Takhat is that of a man of God, not of a particular religion, but of a man or woman of reality who shall serve and guard that Takhat - the Akal Takhat - the throne of timelessness.

Exactly so, in the world of karma, to which you all belong, you can be timeless. When you focus and project and understand the inner being of the situation whether Mahatma Ghandi was real or non-real, you'll find the peace movement gave timelessness to him. In the history of the universe he is one man who, upon his death, all the flags of all the countries flew at half-mast. Why? Because basically in the inner being of the being for the time being or all the time, there's one desire to live in harmony, to live in peace, live in tranquility, to understand. Because that is the creative nature of God. And if you do not know the creative nature of God, you can never know the ultimate nature of God. Therefore a woman who does not know the creative nature of the man shall always be divorced and kicked out. If Prakirti does not know the fundamental of the Purkha, combination of union will never take place. It will be only a commotional, neurotic relationship.

So long you do not admire and understand the timelessness of the teacher, you can never understand to be a timeless student. As long as this intercourse of understanding and cohabition of the psyche does not understand, there shall be duality and doubt. And whenever there's a duality and doubt, unisonness will not exist.

So the very respectful reverence and understanding between a human of today and human of yesterday which can give you the experience of tomorrow, so that tomorrow you don't have to learn the hard way, so that the sophisticated softness of your life can penetrate your few miles of life further in peace and tranquility and harmony, does not exist. You all learn through hardness. And when you learn through the hardness of time and space, your entire sensitivity becomes bitter. That's why you're all bitter. You are the most beautiful apple of God, but you have worms in you.

So that is why Guru Hargobind made the Akal Takhat. A throne of timelessness in which beauty in its own duty becomes the infinity through consciousness and through experience. Where man should hesitate and will hesitate to deceive his tomorrow. I don't think you do anything wrong or rotten. I think you are the emeralds, the "rattans". You're most beautiful. What you do is very funny. You betray your tomorrow, and you are angry at your today, and you abuse your yesterday. And then you want to be respected? Now how can that be?

Mankind went through that era when man and his dignity, man and his self-respect, man and his creativity was just considered nothing. India was ruled by the Mogul empire then, and the orders were, "If a human beings sits on a place higher than the emperor by two and a half feet, his head should be chopped off or he should be picked up for meat to be fed to the emperor's game." That was the punishment. You became meat for the emperor's game. When you are for the emperor's game, you were taken to a prison where you were incarcerated and then one morning you were bled, and your blood was given to the game and your meat was chopped off to be eaten. All that was left of you was a dead body for the animals to tear apart.

At that moment, Guru Hargobind found this focal point of energy, the nerve center of the psyche of this planet. In the longitude and latitude he found a spot - that spot which was the hub of temporal and spiritual foundation of psyche - and he built a throne there. And he said, "It is thrown from the timelessness. So it is called Akal Takhat." "Taa-khat". "Taa" means the base, the fundamental. "Khat" means the line. So it means the fundamental baseline of that Infinity, of that timelessness. That's why it is called Akal Takhat. That is spirituality.

Guru Nanak is not here in his physical body, as you and I can see. But we can feel him, we can experience him, we can understand him, we can listen to him, we can know him, we can walk by his sayings, we can produce ourselves to be like him. That is the timelessness. That is the Akal. And the seal of this Akal Takhat says, "Akal Sahai." Let the timelessness support you.

Out of the circle of 8.4 million lifecycles, there's one spot which does not subject itself to timelessness. And it does not subject itself to zigzags. It subjects itself to elevation. And that soul which commands that elevation is subjected to enjoy the sovereignty of that timelessness of the Akal Takhat. And that is the pure one, that is the Khalsa. Therefore the Akal Takaht dominates a domain of simple purity in Infinity. It doesn't belong to Sikhs. They have the privilege to serve it. It does not belong to the Khalsa. They have the privilege to guard it.

Humanity doesn't own it. It is owned by the owner of its own Self, which is timelessness. And that is Para-Parbrahm Parmatma. Symbolically they destroyed a building and they declared their victory in doing so. But they caused their own defeat here and hereafter forever. And the entire Indian community which is the land of the Gurus, sages and saints, avtars, blessed ones, complete ones, graceful ones, will now die slowly.

Because when there's a purity to the extent of Infinity and in it's own sovereignty, and that is destroyed, when the aorta is cut, man cannot live. When the psyche is destroyed, humanity cannot exist. And what will happen, time will record. It will be a part of history. We in America who are in love with the Guru's house, who are trying to understand the reality of our purpose of our human life, who understand timelessness, may not experience it, may not practice it, or may be intending to walk on that path. We have the privilege today to sit here in the Guru's Court to celebrate the memory, to commemorate the memory. Not in sadness and not in anger, but in meditation and prayer. And to remember that Akal Takhat is in our hearts. We have come here today to bow our heads to that grace, that light, that Infinity, that purity, that truthfulness which is in our heart. And we have come to bow our physical head.

People say if the Akal Takhat is the throne of timelessness, why did it get destroyed? No, it didn't get destroyed. It sacrificed itself. It sacrificed itself as Guru Arjan did.

The personified God, Guru Arjan, sacrificed himself. Guru Teg Bahadur sacrificed himself. The sons of Guru Gobind Singh sacrificed themselves. Guru Gobind Singh sacrificed himself. You have to sacrifice something to get something, to be something.

There is nothing which can be created in timelessness without sacrifice. That is the Infinite law. And at this time, to save the humanity and the people and to awaken their dead souls, the Akal Takhat sacrificed itself.

Look at this! The government tried to inject its B-complex in everything else and build it up and raised it. The resurrection took place. It again got destroyed by those who were supposed to serve and guard it. It got raised all right - not with that purity and prayer -- but with money and with power. Maya. In the true sense it was understood how a building can have a personality to inject and project a reality which only a man with consciousness can understand. It is not for the stone-heads.

And we who are sitting thousands and thousands of miles away, have created a long infinite link. And with that link we live and we celebrate. And we commemorate. And we have the understanding.

I pay my homage to this place of Infinite Divinity in the name of the entire humanity with peace and tranquility, and ask you all to do the same. Irrespective of what your faith is, what your color is, what your caste is, what your creed is, what your religion is, what your belief is, what your dimension is, what your size is, what your nationality is or what your reality is. But if you have a sense of the aorta, to understand what timelessness and sovereignty mean, then you can start right now paying your homage and respectfully attaching yourself to the very lotus feet of the One who gave us the Akal Takhat.

Hargobind... "the Infinite God which sustains us all." That is the literal meaning of "Hargobind"... Guru Hargobind, who took us from the bondage of insanity, commotionalism, neurosis and egotistical attitude and gave us something which is most beautiful in the entire world, for all to remember to be, to visit, to play, to have thought of, to have a memory of, or to look forward to seeing.

Wahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa, Wahe Guru Ji Ki Fateh!

[sall]

WJKK WJKF

Very informative post by Gadget Jeeo, if as you say this occurs and slowly and surely the support for the Sikh Channel dither if it contiues as in your post. The second part of your post is also enlightening that no matter what the mischeivous political agendas exist within any Sikh organisation, they will ultimately fail, as due to the reasons in that second part of the post which are crystal clear.

[chatanga]

very good post gadget ji. Now that i come to think of it it certainly is strange that out of all the video clips of SJS Bhindranwale exhorting Sikhs to be firm in sikhi, they could only find one clips where Sant Ji correctly exposes the duplicity of the Akalis.

there is rehras from delhi gurdawaras all the time, so maybe sarna is using gurdwara golak to fund sikh channel?

[Gurdaspuria E12]

i agree in some parts that the link with sarna is wrong but being anti akali anti sgpc doesnt make u congress.

both akali and sgpc have left there values and are the same as sarna. Singh u are a khalistani so u should know that during the akali and the sgpc were just as bad as the congress.

People like tohra, badal , longowal were all traitors and labbled Santji as a congress agent.

[gulabsinghjaman]

i agree with the above post, ur assumin things about the ramgaria community with them being anti akali ( SInce when have the akalis been panthic?) makes them congressi. I STRONGLY disagree with this as the slough ramgaria comitee are all pro khalistani, including a few others. im not a supporter of caste and ur post seems to have a vibe where your trying to create some sort of a rift between different communities.... Leave sikh channel be, they are doing more GOOD then bad, more channels the better. Jatt caste is probably the reason why other caste orientated gurdwaras exisit in the first place....

[m16]

not a perceptive post at all. a clear attempt to divide on caste lines. call yourself a Sikh. i think not.

if you had ever read a history book you would have realised that Jassa Singh Ramgharia was indeed a warrior. Ever heard of the battle of Ram Rauni? Why do we have Ramgharia Bunge at the Golden Temple complex? What happened to the other Bunge that the other misls had?

if you watched Bhai Pinderpal Singh's 6 june speech the other day on the sikh channel it clearly bashed those who are anti-dasam bani i.e. congress backed sikhs - if the channel was 100% pro Congress and anti Akali would they have aired that?

the channel aired the interview with Jathedar of Akal Takht, he clearly bashed Darshan Ragi and Congress

if you had a brain and any insight whatsoever into sikh politics you would realise that SGPC needs a good slap - Baljit Singh Dadu Sahib Wale has said this himself. Daljit Bittu has said. everyone knows this. so what is so ununsal about SGPC or Akali bashing?

Akalis are meant to be pro Sikh but they are not. therefore basing them is justified. I am not saying Congress is good, it is our enemy but at the moment so are the Akalis who give 2000 rupees and sharab to win votes

have you ever thought what "caste" Mr Bal who owns Sikh Channel is from?

Sarna is not from a Ramgharia background.

typical ignorant so called Sikh who can't help but slate a channel trying to promote our religion. go watch channel 832 if you don't like it.

[gadget]

Any SGPC basher is very very dangerous in my opinion to our religion because it is clear even if they are wrong (some of the members) it is for Sikhs to discuss in a closed forum. These attack's on them are exactly the same attacks that Ghandi made against the Akali's

By the late nineteenth century, both Hindus and Sikhs elites had embarked upon competing religious revivals, making communal lines sharper and more antagonistic. The Arya Samaj (Aryan Society) movement developed among urban Hindus in northern India and the Singh Sabha movement (1870-1919) among Sikhs. The former was not overtly political – focusing largely on linking Hindu religious values with modern life – but it spread anti-Sikh propaganda in the late 1880s and later formed the basis for radical Hindu parties like the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). The Singh Sabha (the most important of a series of similar groups) focused on weeding out remnants of Hinduism from Sikhism. Young, educated Sikhs found themselves disillusioned with the Arya Samaj (which at first had seemed compatible with Sikhism) and wanted to re-evaluate Sikh identity. The movement took up issues such as mass education, reform of social customs, women’s rights, economic development, and theology, including through the establishment of educational institutions and newspapers. Despite differences of opinion about specific issues among Sikh reformers, their main thrust “was about clear demarcation of Sikh communal boundaries and the defence of the Sikh religion from attacks by other religions” (Deol 2000: 73). The question of Sikh identity had become a controversial legal and public issue by 1880s, especially in light of challenges to the Sikh faith by the Arya Samaj. In the meantime, new, vernacular print media (for instance, using the Gumukhi script in Punjabi printing presses) further elaborated group consciousness and ethnic boundaries.

Part of the aim of Sikh reformists was to retain control of religious practices and institutions. The Akali Dal formed in 1914 to take over control of Sikh shrines. Since the 1920s, the Akali Dal has presented itself as sole representative of the Khalsa Panth, arguing that the religious and political interests of Sikhs are inseparable, that one’s identity as Sikh transcends all other identities, and that Sikhs’ loyalty to the central state must be contingent upon the state’s recognition of the community as a collective group with historic “theopolitical status.”

A period of nonviolent noncooperation against colonial authorities by Sikhs peaked with the Jallianwallah Bagh massacre of 13 April 1919, when troops opened fire on a peaceful gathering. The incident prompted a restructuring of the management of the Golden Temple. Tensions between Akali activists seeking control of Sikh shrines and local government resulted in recurring conflicts and culminated in a massacre at the Nankana shrine. These struggles put strains on the generally amicable Anglo-Sikh relationship and helped consolidate the relationship between Akalis and Indian nationalists. Concerned with the escalating controversy over control of Sikh shrines, the colonial government instituted the Sikh Gurudwaras and Shrines Act of 1925, which conceded management and control of all Sikh religious institutions to the community.

The government handed over management of Sikh gurdwaras (temples) and shrines to the Akalicontrolled Shiromani Gurudwara Prabahandak Committee (SGPC), formed in December 1920 by orthodox Sikhs. The SGPC holds regular elections which are almost always won by the Akali Dal. The SGPC controls significant material, institutional, human, and moral resources. Akalis’ ties with the politically-important SGPC has allowed them to help shape Sikh identity through intermediate institutions, historic shrines, schools, and missions, including the promulgation of Sikh heroes, honorifics, holidays, symbols, and so forth rather than Indian “national” ones. The Akali Dal thus emerged as an important political party with the 1925 act (Tatla 1999:30-4; Telford 1992:973-4)

I am Absolutely amazed that any Sikh in their right mind would speak out against our highest authority the stupidity of it amazes me

In past Panth time programs a number of Rhamgaria have got up and said the names of the gurdwara need to be changed how ever panel members took a stance that do you know who Jasaa Singh Rhamgharia was see what my Rhamgaria brothers must understand is to have Ekta one you must first merge into mainstream sikhism because you cant have one role for yourselves and another for the rest of the community if your not with us its obvious your against us.

There is a very very small handful of Rhamgaria who support Khalistan this is very very obvious in Punjab and the UK they prefer the friendship of India and are very very pro India

We cannot place Jassa Singh Rhamgaria on an equal footing of our Guru's who were God's form sent down to earth see what you must understand is if we name a gurdwara Rhamgaria then tommorow we will name a gurdwara after other Sikh soldiers which is just not on. I agree with the Rhamgaria community and will say he is a great hero but then tommorow will we name a gurdwara against the avengers of Ghandi there is no way we can have a satwant singh gurdwara then tommorow more heros of the cause come forward and they will want the gurdwara named after them.

So by first distancing themselves from the SGPC whilst pretending to be friends of the Sikhs yet playing undercover anti Akali role the very people which saved the gurdwaras from central goverment control are being attacked by a community who wants nothing to do with the SGPC and yet name their gurdwaras against to conduct of most SIkh gurdwaras in the world

The Rhamgari need to get their house in order before attacking the caste debate they name their very gurdwaras by their caste name I have yet to see one gurdwara named Kumar gurdwara or Jatt Gurdwara or Chamar gurdwara there are a lot of double standards here that need to be tackled by the community.

The Akali Dal came forward at a very important time in Sikh history to claim back our shrines as they saw the goverment design to intgrate them into hinduism by splitting them.

What you see in Harayana is dive and rule what you see in Delhi is divide and rule what you are now seeing in the West by the Rhamgaria community is divide and rule.

What I suggest is that no Sikh attack another Sikh in a public forum where it weakens our image as a quam and instead we meet to discuss our issues and put them forward to SGPC and the Akali Party who have more Khesdari Amritdhari Sikhs in their party than anywhere.

Beware of anyone splitting their name image or attacking established sikh institutions these people are the enemy within it is obvious from history that anything that serves to divide us by renaming your gurdwaras and attacking established Sikh shrines has a stink about it. I have yet to see any muslim attack their leaders in favour of another nations leaders no quamm is that stupid that they would embarras themselves on the world stage.

Another issue that needs to be tackled is the Rhamgaria gurdwaras insistence to have party halls that serve alcohol and beer next to their gurdwaras.

Why is it nobody is questioning the Rhamgaria community that you do not want to be under control of the Akal Thakhat yet you want to establish a european SIkh lobby yet you dont support our main headquaters I do not understand this and I am sure that many of our forum member do not ither.

What I suggest is all Rhamgaria readers on this forum go and ask their gurdwara commitees why they are not under the authority of the SGPC the emporal seat of Sikhs and ahy they have chosen to name their gurdwaras under their caste name

Once this is established and tackled we can then move forward and even think about having any of the Rhamgaria gurdwaras as a voice of worldwide sikhs

Any gurdwara that names itself on caste whether Jatt Chammar Rhamgaria Saini needs to be sorted out only when we wipe out these idiotic caste issues can we move forward as a panth

Even the SIkh channel admitted they were wrong about the SGPC hence the meeting with the leadership which put their minds to rest so why after meeting with the SIngh Sahiban they still played clips where Bhindrawale attacks Akalis I just dont understand

Visit the SGPC website and make up your own minds - LINK 1

THE AKALIS ARE CLEARLY WRONG IN SERVING ALCOHOL TO GET VOTES BUT THE HINDU AND BHAIIA POPULATION OF PUNJAB IS SO GREAT IF WE DO NOT GET THEM TO VOTE FOR THE AKALIS WE LOSE PUNJAB IF WE LOSE PUNJAB WE SLOWLY LOSE GURDWARA AND LANGUAGE CONTROL EVERYTIME THERE HAS BEEN A CONGRESS GOVT THEY HAVE PUSHED HINDI AND ENGLISH ONLY THE AKALIS ARE PRESERVING PUNJABI THEN WHEN WE LOSE PUNJABI WE LOSE IDENTITY LOSE IDENTITY WE SLOWLY CONFUSE OUR YOUTH IF WE CONFUSE OUR YOUTH WITH MANY GURDWARAS NAMES AFTER CASTE WE LOSE THEIR RESPECT FOR OUR RELIGION WE LOSE THAT WE EVENTUALLY LOSE SIKHI

[khalistan_zindabaad]

Who do you support those who did the attack on darbar sahib (congress) or those who told them to and supported them (akalis) . . . or do you get on with things and dont get involved. - it was the akalis that killed bhai surinder singh jee sodhi remember.

[guruvah]

too long:wacko:

can anyone summarize?

[gadget]

I support every sikh against congress and for a seperate sikh homeland and none that speak against any sikh organisation that has the power to help us get to power in Punjab/Pakistan/Delhi