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waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fatehhh jeooo

sangat ji ..just wondering one day ..that sikh gals and guys call each other as veerji and penji right..but let say that one singhnee call singh as 'veerji' and later on they got married..wouldn't that be weird..???

just want to know ur'll opinions on this one..

bhul chuk maaf ji ^_^

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

No offence,

but of all the things going on in the community your biggest worry is what if you get married to someone who you called veerji, its jus a way of showing respect nothing more, theres no deep rooted meaning here.

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

lol :wub:

Bhenji, think of it this way. We are part of the Khalsa Panth, right? Khalsa is a brotherhood, so we're all part of the same family anyways!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

(Typed a long reply but it got screwed up. So here goes again!)

Thats what I was gonna say as well!
sangat ji ..just wondering one day ..that sikh gals and guys call each other as veerji and penji right..but let say that one singhnee call singh as 'veerji' and later on they got married..wouldn't that be weird..???
Not just weird, but sick and pathetic. I don't understand how and why people do that.

Here are some things I want to add, and I am sorry if I go off track.

The last time this topic was discussed, those days I was under shock and astonishment as to how certain Amritdharis can also be so far away from Gurmat. Gurujee's hukam is "Eka Naari Jati Howe, Par Naari Dhee Bhen Vakhaani", meaning You are to have

"relationship" only with one woman, and all others are like daughters and sisters (some even include mother). Those who do NOT call a person of another gender as veerjee/bhenjee just so that they don't lose a chance of fooling around or flirting with someone, I feel sorry for them. And if they are Amritdhari, I feel ashamed. Its all about keeping options open, and so they don't, not even by mistake, address someone as veerjee/bhenji. Well, all the best when you stand before Dharamraaj! If veerjee/bhenji are used for respect, well, why can't you say the person's name and end it with "jee" if you have to address them with respect. If you call someone veerjee/bhenji, and are not serious about it, that means you cannot even give respect to your own words, so good luck being a Sikh!

Do you want to be a son/daughter of Guru Gobind Singh and live gracefully as a Singh/Singhnee with mind fixed on Gurbani, or be a cheap desi who will fool around with anyone humming profane songs from Bollywood, Punjabi pop or western music?

The problem arises when someone of the opposite gender addresses you as veerjee/bhenji, and your mind says "Oh no! He/she called me veerjee/bhenji! Now I can't fool around/flirt with him/her!". This shows that you had evil thoughts in your mind, and now that things are not as you imagined, you are shocked.

I asked a similar question on Sikhnet long back. The answer was amazing. The Singh said that you don't have to make every woman your sister, just treat them as such. Meaning, don't think of her in an evil way, don't do stuff with her you are not supposed to, etc.

So what is the solution? Here is what I think can/should work :

Do NOT have evil thoughts about anyone in your mind, especially someone of another gender. This is really really hard, but it is the only way I feel can help. You have a friend who is of your opposite gender,ok. Do NOT think bad or feel anything about t

hem. This way, if he/she calls you veerjee/bhenji in future, you wont have the..

Oh no! He/she called me veerjee/bhenji! Now I can't fool around/flirt with him/her!
...shock. And if things take a different turn, and you both reach a point of marriage, still you won't get any shock, as you never had any expectations. This way, no matter what happens, veerjee/bhenjee situation, or husband/wife situation, you won't get any shock, you will accept whatever comes, and why? because your mind was free from dirt and filth right from the beginning.

Also, for a Sikh all human relations are fake, therefore having evil thoughts will only add fuel to your lust and nothing else. So why! Just don't think in an evil way, thats it.

Sorry for the long reply. I am reminded of the hypocrisy that persists within "GurSikhs" and so can't help saying all I have on my mind.

Sorry if this was offensive to anyone

bhul chuk maaf

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Edited by Mehtab Singh

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the day that mehtab singh offends somebody is the day sikhsangat.com should become extinct....

i always find that the only type of posts that i see from Mehtab veer are just truly honest and frank objective views... that are mainly unbiased.. it's amazing.. like.. he hits the proverbial nail on the head like...every time...

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As Mehtab veer ji says..it's all about keep you're intentions pure.

There was this other very useful post about intentions..I have pasted the link below

http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.ppa?act=...=ST&f=12&t=5129

Guru maharaj ji has written our sanjogh's so it's not something we should try and worry about..

Nanak satguru tinah malayia jinah dhuray bhayia sanjogh!

Bhul Chuk Maaf!

Edited by Gupat Singhni

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Had been searching for this thread for the past 1 hour. I am tired...

BUMP...

Do NOT have evil thoughts about anyone in your mind, especially someone of another gender. This is really really hard, but it is the only way I feel can help. You have a friend who is of your opposite gender,ok. Do NOT think bad or feel anything about t

hem. This way, if he/she calls you veerjee/bhenji in future, you wont have the..

Oh no! He/she called me veerjee/bhenji! Now I can't fool around/flirt with him/her!
...shock. And if things take a different turn, and you both reach a point of marriage, still you won't get any shock, as you never had any expectations. This way, no matter what happens, veerjee/bhenjee situation, or husband/wife situation, you won't get any shock, you will accept whatever comes, and why? because your mind was free from dirt and filth right from the beginning.

KinniyaaN vaDiyaaN vaDiyaaN gallaaN karda hunda si tongue.gif

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when i read this topic in the beginning :@ first thought came to my mind was .. what is mehtab gonna reply to it.. tongue.gif

Anyway Mehtab bro.. u hit the nail right on the spot :) now i understand your principles and why :) heheheh ....

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now i understand your principles and why :@ heheheh ....
Oh shadd principles nu...kehna bahut saukha aa...its implementing thats a challenge blink.gif . Guruji kirpa karan pray.gif

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I was told something a while ago and found it inspirational. It was about one of the 13 Singhs, and I am assuming it was about Shaheed Jathedar Bhai Amrik Singh because they were very young.

One of the 13 Singhs (who I'm assuming was Bhai Sahib but will verify), was engaged at the time of their Shaheedi. What is inspirational though is that they still called their "fiance" Bhainji and fully saw her as a sister. Everyone around Bhai Sahib would be poking him and saying Singho you do not have to call her Bhainji anymore, you are engaged to her. And Singh ji said that he will always call her and see her as his own sister, until the actual day that they walk around Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji together and become husband and wife in the eyes of Vaaheguru. Until then, she is my sister, Bhai Sahib said.

"Tum Sio Jor, Avar Sang Toree"... These Gurmukhs are truly joined with Vaheguru and don't need any other relationship. This is true Sikhi; these Shaheed Singhs did not just die, but they lived and breathed for the Guru. This is why they are Amar, immortal, because they truly were above human standards in their love for God. They didn't just die but they lived, truly fully, carving a path for us to follow

I found this great because today many youth think dating before marriage is acceptable or they think that an engagement means "khulee shutee" and gives them a ticket to act married. In the Mukhatnama, we are told through Guru Sahib that we are not His Sikhs if we, without the Anand Karaj ceremony, treat people as nonbrothers/nonsisters (e.g. physically). It's so sad that we, as the Guru's children, do not realize this.

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That's exactly right R_Kaur. Only Anand Karaj changes our status with respect to a sister or a brother. Those genuinely interested in giving their lives to their Guru (and I'm certainly not talking about myself) find no room in their lives for inappropriate relationships with the opposite gender and of course that doesn't refer to just kaam/lust, but rather all of the other negative things associated with relationships (moh/emotional attachment and uhunkaar/ego definitely play a huge part as well.) Only when Guru Sahib blesses the relationship through Anand Karaj is acting like husband-wife appropriate. Pretending as if you have Guru Sahib's blessing before Anand Karaj is not correct at all. If you have the right priorities (i.e. naam/baanee/sevaa), the folly of these sorts of relationships comes into clear focus.

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I think it's also appropriate to add that infatuations are very negative as well. Even if your thoughts aren't put into action, the thoughts themselves can have a very negative impact. They are an incredible distraction and it really is maayaa in one of its most blatant forms that is distracting you.

Finally after 4 years, things are a lot more clear. Thanks Gurujee :WW: pray.gif

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