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i came accross this is in a book i have, and was wandering what this means, with respect to the dating of siri sarabloh granth. i.e. as to which date the granth was made... i tried to start looking for this in sarabloh granth but i didnt reely know where to start so anyone who is more well versed (as well as those hu are not) id like to also know where this comes (i.e. what ang) in the granth, as well as the steek.. as a side thing, is there still no E-version of sarabloh maharaaj??

i know this is a hot topic for debating and the date is not actually known, but the time period when this granth was written is assumed..

thanks..

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here is where pistol comes in the steek.. along with the meaning from mahan kosh to rid any discrepencies to what the word actually means...

sikh reality, what do you thin of this??

Would help if there was a pauri number in there, but since its not written finding that line would be extremely hard unless someone knows it off by heart.

sikh reality, what do you thin of this??

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i have an very strong idea that plays with what is already known.. but it is purely speculative... and goes against the 'norm' i.e. when and how sri sarbloh granth was put together.. i am not going to say this before anyone asks.. but im making this statment because i am guessing that some may try to turn against me n create stu pedness... basically saying that im against gurujis bani.. and ..(i wish no harm on anyone.)..

but anyway..., this can be over ruled by saying guru ji is antarjami..

also that cannons didnt exist at the time of the great battle (durga n tht..) but sri dasam granth still mentions that in chundi di vaar...

but the thing still remains....

ok.. the cannons and guns were used (or one form or another of it regards to the great battle)... but how coms use the word pistol??...huh.gif

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i came accross this is in a book i have, and was wandering what this means, with respect to the dating of siri sarabloh granth. i.e. as to which date the granth was made... i tried to start looking for this in sarabloh granth but i didnt reely know where to start so anyone who is more well versed (as well as those hu are not) id like to also know where this comes (i.e. what ang) in the granth, as well as the steek.. as a side thing, is there still no E-version of sarabloh maharaaj??

i know this is a hot topic for debating and the date is not actually known, but the time period when this granth was written is assumed..

thanks..

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Veerji r u confused about the english word "pistol" or its existince at DASHMESH PITA JI'S time??

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also that cannons didnt exist at the time of the great battle (durga n tht..) but sri dasam granth still mentions that in chundi di vaar...

but the thing still remains

Yes, there are guns and cannons firing in Chandi charitra part 2.This only shows that whole composition is written by Guru Sahib.See the verses where these refernces come. No human other than Guru sahib can write such powerful verses.Shashtar Nam mala also mentions these weapons.There were guns and cannons in Guru sahib's time.

There is nothing to feel strange in this.

Apart from that there is mention of Ramayana and even krishna in chandi charitra. We all know that they had come to this earth much later than Durga period.

ਮਾਨਹੁ ਆਗ ਲਗਾਇ ਹਨੂ ਗੜ ਲੰਕ ਅਵਾਸ ਕੀ ਡਾਰੀ ਅਟਾਰੀ ॥੧੩੨॥

मानहु आग लगाइ हनू गड़ लंक अवास की डारी अटारी ॥१३२॥

It seemed that Hanuman after setting Lanka on fire, has thrown down the loft of the palace of the citadel.132.

Chandi charitra ukti bilas

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im not denouncing that there were cannons or anything jeeos.. its just that i havent come accross it in guru granth or dasam prakash... unless iv mist it...

the use of the word actual word is what in asking about... i wouldnt call it confusion ji.

usage of words like 'note' and 'brush' written in english-punjabi is the thing im asking bout.. i did state that "the cannons and guns were used (or one form or another of it regards to the great battle)... but how coms use the word pistol"

and the sakhi that das pita wrote it and gave it to bhagats in the mountains of hemkunt, how could english ppl have existed in india, or rather, the language have existed. if pita ji wrote sri sarabloh granth back then as dust-daman. so if they collected it from these bhagats that lived for a very long time, then how comes the word pistol, the very famillar english word 'pistol' have not turned up in sggs or DG..

my query is not with whether this is dasam jis work, because i do have a speculation like i sez. my queory is with the word used. y use it when it most likely have not existed 'bak then'. and if it was existed bak then, however unlikely the case may be, if it did, how could the word have not turned up in sggs or DG.

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again >>>>how could the word have not turned up in sggs or DG, and have turned up in sarabloh granth.<<<

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Yes, there are guns and cannons firing in Chandi charitra part 2.

there were no 'cannons' at the time of durga but guruji mentions cannons and firing. this is because there were different type of cannons/firing-bombs. though, not the cannons we are famillar with now.

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there were no 'cannons' at the time of durga but guruji mentions cannons and firing. this is because there were different type of cannons/firing-bombs. though, not the cannons we are famillar with now.

I am not getting your view point at all.

There were guns and cannons during Guru sahib's time.Guru ji is mentioning those guns and cannons as he is mentioning names of

Hanuman and krishna who were also not there during Durga's time.This is to present a fierce battle imagery.Read below

ਕਾਗੜਦੰ ਕਾਤੀ ਕਟਾਰੀ ਕੜਾਕੰ ॥

ਤਾਗੜਦੰ ਤੀਰੰ ਤੁਪਕੰ ਤੜਾਕੰ ॥

The sounds of the blows of the daggers and swords are being heard.

The sounds of the shafts and cannon gunshots are being heard. ਤੁਪਕੰ= cannon

ਝਾਗੜਦੰ ਨਾਗੜਦੰ ਬਾਗੜਦੰ ਬਾਜੇ ॥

ਗਾਗੜਦੰ ਗਾਜੀ ਮਹਾ ਗਜ ਗਾਜੇ ॥੩੫॥੧੧੨॥

Various sounds of musical instruments are resounding.

The warriors are roaring and shouting loudly.35.112.

ਸਾਗੜਦੰ ਸੂਰੰ ਕਾਗੜਦੰ ਕੋਪੰ ॥

ਪਾਗੜਦੰ ਪਰਮੰ ਰਣੰ ਪਾਵ ਰੋਪੰ ॥

The great heroes have been struck.

And the brave fighters are belching.36.1

ਛਾਗੜਦੰ ਛਉਹੀ ਛੁਰੇ ਪ੍ਰੇ ਛੜਾਕੇ ॥ ਤਾਗੜਦੰ ਤੀਰੰ ਤੁਪਕੰ ਤੜਾਕੇ ॥੩੮॥੧੧੫॥

The arrows and the guns are creating their own noses.38.115.

ਤਾਗੜਦੰ ਤੀਰੰ ਬਾਗੜਦੰ ਬਾਣੰ ॥ ਕਾਗੜਦੰ ਕਾਤੀ ਕਟਾਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣੰ ॥

The noises of the arrows and shafts, daggers and swords are being heard.

Chandi chartitra part 2

This proves that Guru sahib has altered the text to a great extent by his own input.Hence Chandi charitra written by Guru sahib in Dasam Granth sahib

should not be considered a carbon copy of original text of markandey purana.

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According to the etymology of the word pistol we hear that the word goes back to the 16th century and that it is a french word. Maharaj already mentions France various times in Dasam Granth hence the word must have been used in India at the time.

pistol Look up pistol at Dictionary.com

"small hand-held firearm," c.1570, from M.Fr. pistole "short firearm" (1566), of uncertain origin, sometimes said to be from Ger. Pistole, from Czech pis'tala "firearm," lit. "tube, pipe," from pisteti "to whistle," of imitative origin, related to Rus. pischal "shepherd's pipe." But earlier form pistolet (1550) is from M.Fr. pistolet "a small firearm," also "a small dagger," which may be the literal sense; though some connect this word with It. pistolese, in reference to Pistoia, town in Tuscany noted for gunsmithing. Pistol-whip is first recorded 1942.

Etymology of "pistol"

The word "pistol" is derived from the French pistole (or pistolet), which has these possible origins:

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Thanks for the post. In Punjab it is also known as pistaul.

I am still not able to get what alias is trying to say.

Is he doubting Sarabloh granth just because word pistol appears in that?

It is not that easy to arrive at such conclusions just based on hearsays.

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i duno bout hanuman n that, im jus talking bout the guns..

i am saying that at the time of durga, there were no guns. at the time of guru sahib, there were.

guru sahib is talking bout the battle of durga where there were no cannons/guns.

guru sahib mentions guns and stuf.. THIS IS FINE. i am NOT debating this.

and fine, all battles were and are feirce or wotever. fine.

i am saying that >> Y USE THE WORD PISTOL<<

this is as planely as i can state it.. it may sound that i am against sarabloh or whatever, but im not.. and how can u say its @hearsay' wen iv given u all u need in the attachments??!!?! wacko.gifblink.gifhuh.gif if u dont understand what im saying, then y post.. i do appreciate ur posts tho.

and the pronunciation as 'pistaul' in punjabi is the same as the standard word 'pistol'. its not another word!.. indian ppl pronounce words weird. like the word 'southall'.! :)

re the word france,

i take you are refferig to akaal ustat > farasi firangi francys ky durangi...< thas k... the word is used... used twice in DG in akaal ustat. this can be taken to mean the four corners of the world etc..

but the word pistol is not used in SGGS or DG. and just cus the country france is written bout, it dont mean that the word pistol was also known bout... after all, no word pistol in SGGS and DG.

and though the word was in circulation by 1570 or what have u, it doesent reely prove that the word pistol was in india. much words like 'brush' and 'note' (most prob) came fter british raaj.

dasam pita didnt use the word 'pistol' in DG, when they give the shastar nam mala, or the shastarnama, or any of the other jungs n that..

the first time iv come across this word is in sarabloh granth.

i will admit that because of this, i question the time of writing of siri sarabloh granth. i do not question the author ship being that or dasam pita however. because it sez mukhvaak 10.

as a side note, i take it that all believe that guru gobind singh ji can and has been and visited earth randomly.. and given othr ppl darshan..and other astaans etc...

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