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You guys are getting confused between hitting an innocent old man who had a differing opinion and someone who is out there to divide Sikhs by propagating false notions about our Gurus. Its 2 different things. Like I mentioned in my original post, its not manly to attack an unarmed old man, but how do you justify the killing of Indira Gandhi, General Dyer, Beant Sio, General Vaidya, etc.? We see their assassins as heroes! This guy is only attacked, not killed. The only good that comes out of this is that now the opponents of Dasmesh Pita's Bani will wake up and realize that the Khalsa Panth has had it with their garbage preaching and from this point on we won't sit back and watch them. Heck even Ramanand wasn't let off because he sat on a level parallel to Guru Sahib's paavan pavittar saroop.

Wales, the massands were burnt alive due to their misdeeds. Yes we don't agree with attacking an unarmed old man, but here what was attacked was a person proposing the most blasphemous stories about our Gurus. He was debated many times, he messed up and had no answers but still didn't bother to shut up. So this is what he got. Those who see him as "innocent victim" or as a "hero for a cause" should dig into his past and find out the trash he has been uttering as well. He called Baba Thakur Singh Jee a liar, that was 4 years ago. He mocked Naam Simran which is the core of Sikhi, that was 4 years ago. He started putting our Gurus to the level of a common man and saying that the Guru fainted on the hot iron plate or ate meat in Mecca, that was also 4 years ago. He has been condemning Dasam Bani regularly. He hasn't bothered to stop ever since. He lost debate after debate yet carried on. What you expect us to do? Wear bangles and go to him with garlands and sweets and say "Uncle jee, we are here to discuss and let you insult our Gurus some more because we want more beatings before we wake up".

Yes Sikh organizations will condemn this act, which is fine. If they had taken action against him in the past, things wouldn't have reached to this point. No one here is rejoicing at him getting beaten up, in case thats what you guys are misinterpreting this as. Its just that now an example has been set for all other Dasam Bani nindaks as to what awaits them if they continue to spew scum. There are others who never bother coming forward face-to-face for a debate, but just hide and bark. This incident will make them think 10 times. That is the reason this has been posted.

Once again, please forgive the ignorance and arrogance. Enough of love and acceptance for those who insult Gurujee.

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You are very dedicated to sikhi. I got no doubt about that. However, can you please tell me why this man could not have been debated? When you use physical violence on scholars you basically concede to the value of their argument. Its actually a benefit... when people preach stupid things you get the opportunity to address the argument and defeat it... thus increasing the validity of your argument.

The purpose of these people is do propaganda against sikh scriptures and thus misguide innocent people.

He is part of a group that includes Ragi Darshan and an editor of a newspaper and of course sikh missionaries.

They do not come forward for debates. No religion tolerates berating of its scriptures , history and traditions.

Condemning scriptures of a religion is a criminal offence in India.

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Amritsar session court rejects bail plea of Spokesman editor

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AMRITSAR: The district and session judge Amritsar Bhupinder Singh on Thursday rejected the pre-arrest bail of Joginder Singh, editor of Punjabi vernacular newspaper Rozana Spokesman who is hiding from fear of arrest.

Earlier the Punjab and Haryana High Court had rejected the bail application of Joginder Singh on the ground that he cant approach the high court directly.

Joginder Singh is wanted by Amritsar in a case registered against him under sections 295 A of Indian Panel code for “alleged malicious writings about Sikh Gurus, Guru Granth Sahib, and various institutions of the Sikhs”. The case was registered by Avtar Singh Makkar President of SGPC after Punjab Chief Minister forwarded his complaint to DGP.

The assitant district attorney Amritpal Singh Khaira on behalf of prosecution and M.S.Gill repersenting SGPC told the court that Joginder Singh was not cooperating in the inquiry. He failed to appear before Amritsar police in response to summons sent four times. He presented the objectionable material published by the Spokesman editor. The lawyers said that Joginder Singh has challenged the authenticity of Guru Granth Sahib which has hurt the religious sentiments of Sikhs. They said that it was necessary to arrest the editor to know his real motives.

Meanwhile, it is learnt that Punjab police is planning to arrest Joginder Singh who fled from his residence immediately after case was registered against him. He is reportedly hiding in Delhi.

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Only Five,

You are very dedicated to sikhi. I got no doubt about that. However, can you please tell me why this man could not have been debated?

Please read Mehtab Singh ji's post on top of the second page. He was debated and proven wrong. Then he admitted not to spread his lies anymore and even change his writings in books. The Khalsa Panth gave him every opportunity to have a peaceful discussion with them. They sat back waiting for this man to gain some common sense and maybe, stop his lying and slandering. Enough opportunites were given to him. Watch all of the parts to this video.

http://video.google....018122477402542#

When you use physical violence on scholars you basically concede to the value of their argument.

There is that word again. To me it's very clear why you keep calling him a scholar? Rest of the sangat reading your post can make their own mind up. Honesty is really importan in discussion Mr. Wales. His arguement has been refuted, but this 3 year old does not stop spreading his hatred.

Its actually a benefit... when people preach stupid things you get the opportunity to address the argument and defeat it... thus increasing the validity of your argument.

Well then, now you saw the result of preaching nonsense, after his nonsense was refuted. Lesson learned for the next to the self pro-claimed scholars. And if he continues, then read history and that will determine his outcome.

Also, how do you thiink this looks to the outside world? If I knew nothing of sikhi... I would think it was no different than the mullahs...i mean they do this same stuff all the time for the same reasons you suggested.

Stop twisting my words. Opinions of others are useless when it comes to Dharma. If you knew anything about Sikhi, then public opinion concern is very low on the scale and is always disregarded when it comes to Dharma(Gurmat). If you start looking toward public opinion exstensively and act accordingly, then you have lost Sikhi.

Scholars have to be untouchable... if you beat men who speak differently... I mean come on. Ever heard of Gallileo...

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I am curious, what happened to massands?

There is that word again. Provide proof your sweetheart Inder Singh Ghagga is a scholar. Serisously read Mehtab Singh ji's post. It is very educational and I would say scholarly.

You get in alot of arguements and disagreements with people that are spreading Gurmat from there post. Your heading donw a very treacherous path.

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Only Five there will always be disagreements on EVERYTHING. Everything that can possibly be disagreed with, most likely WILL be disagreed with.

Ignore the fellow and condemn his actions and educate people why he's wrong. Sant Jarnail SIngh Ji Bhindranwale wouldn't have supported this, the central government or the perpetrators who were responsible for unleashing all these fake babay and cults to try and hinder Sikhi (which they can't) and still Sant Ji never attacked the central government.

A disagreement doesn't call for a person to become bathed in krodh and attack a person. No matter how serious the disagreement is a Gursikh never attacks a helpless individual. These actions should be condemned and nothing else.

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Sikhs are a soft target and are being manipulated by the powers that be, The real reason for anti Sikh parchar is to get Sikhs to react get them hot headed so they make foolish moves, and then to the wider communities through media, make the community seem like wild Taliban, extremist, terrorist type people.

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Only Five there will always be disagreements on EVERYTHING. Everything that can possibly be disagreed with, most likely WILL be disagreed with.

Ignore the fellow and condemn his actions and educate people why he's wrong. Sant Jarnail SIngh Ji Bhindranwale wouldn't have supported this, the central government or the perpetrators who were responsible for unleashing all these fake babay and cults to try and hinder Sikhi (which they can't) and still Sant Ji never attacked the central government.

A disagreement doesn't call for a person to become bathed in krodh and attack a person. No matter how serious the disagreement is a Gursikh never attacks a helpless individual. These actions should be condemned and nothing else.

Sant baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa is a Saintsoildier. Here is a video of Sant ji clearly saying, grab the Slander of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and kill him.

In the video, Sant ji is telling about what one Singh did, a Singh comes to Sant ji and say Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji was burned. Sant ji asked him where were you? The Singh gives an irrational answer and Sant ji say, shouldn't it be right to put you on fire now. Then Sant ji goes further and say whoever wants to come and tell me about beadbi happening, of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, those that disrespect our sisters, whoever this person be, do not accept his apology, take care of him, yourself. Then he goes further and says those that disrepsect Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj, give him a good beating and then kill him, and Sant ji's jatha will take care of everything else.

Compassion, humility, is what Sant ji lived by, but he knew where to draw the line. Listen to his speeches. Then read Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj, you will find no contradictions in what Sant ji says and did.

Today, the so called Singhs, don't even know what humility and compassion is. They are running around scared at every corner, of there image being ruined. But they don't even know, that they have no image. In every crack and corner the world is laughing at these so called Singhs. They are the biggest jokes living today and will be called Singhs when they get some real humility and compassion for those that slander Gurmat.

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Sikhs are a soft target and are being manipulated by the powers that be, The real reason for anti Sikh parchar is to get Sikhs to react get them hot headed so they make foolish moves, and then to the wider communities through media, make the community seem like wild Taliban, extremist, terrorist type people.

Read about the battles of the Khalsa Panth in the Gurus time. Political parites of that time were spreading propoganda and lies about the Khalsa. Did that stop Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj from going to war, because in the public opinion they, the Khalsa would look bad. Did that stop Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji, from burning the Masands?

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Onlyfive, I am making it a point not to get into needless arguments on this forum anymore. I have stated my point, and I don't think continued discussion will change your mind.

This proves it, that you're here with an agenda against Gurmat. Why would you want to change my mind. You should be saying, Only five follow Gurmat and not my way. You should be saying, look at this incident through Gurmat and see if it fits. You should be saying, look at history and see what the previous Gursikhs did when these kinds of issues came about.

But instead, you want to spread your manmat here and preach your own twisted thinking.

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I've seen the speech by Sant Ji many times and I still believe he wouldn't have supported this as this is causing splitting and more confusion in the panth. This sends a very wrong message to youth and adults alike on both sides of this issue. This isn't helping our panth out, needless hate which will only breed more hate and confusion.

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