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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I posted a question recently on this site and I was misinterpreated as a Muslim. Infact I am a young Sikh male wanting to know more about Sikhi. I use the internet for the majority of the time, but when I cannot find anything on the topic then I use this site.

My question is, what will happen to people from other faiths after their death? For example, a Christian priest, Islamic molvi etc. These people follow their relgion strictly, but doing this are against the principles of Sikhi.

What is the Sikhi story to creation and the first people on earth?

EDIT: Why are peoples writing such as Kabir and Sheik Farid in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji aswell? And is wearing a Dastar mandatory, or just the convienient way to keep our Kesh maintained tidely?

Thank you, please forgive me if I have upset anyone by asking this question.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ka Fateh!

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I think everyone that follows their religion with a pure heart, follows it fully and is a good humanbeing all merge into waheguru ji.

but if all your life you acted like a good _________ (fill in religion) but didn't really believe in it or it was just an act, you won't merge into waheguru ji. or if you spent your life being a good ______ (fill in religion) but towards the end or part way through your mind starts to have doubts and you think another religion is how you'll reach Waheguru Ji, then I think waheguru ji gives you a chance to be reborn in that religion so you can merge into him.

you don't have to be a Sikh to meet waheguru ji

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Bhaee Prapat Manukh Dehuria.

Gobind Milan Ki Eh Teri Baria.

Avar Kaaj Terai Kitai N Kaam.

Mil Saadhsangat Bhaj Keval Naam.

This is from Rehraas Sahib. We read it everyday.

These lines are saying this:

We have been given a human body.

This is our (one and only) chance to meet with Waheguru.

Why were we given this human body?

We were given this human body to meet with Sadhsangat and meditate on Waheguru's Naam (be it Waheguru for Sikhs, Allah for Muslims, Ram for Hindus, God for Christians, etc.).

Everything else (that distances you from Waheguru) is useless/fruitless.

If we medidate on God's name, we will ultimately merge with God (the number of lifetimes this may take may vary person to person).

Check out this Shabad - http://www.sikhitoth...p?ShabadID=1816.

It talks of the Bhagats (born into Hindu or Muslim religion) who medidated on God's Name and ultimately became one with God.

Hope that helped.

Bhul Chuk Maaf.

~ Ek Chit Jeh Ik Shhin Dhiayo. Kaal Faas Ke Beech N Aayo.~

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Then why take Amrit?

I meant you can follow other religions and still meet waheguru ji, Sikhi is not the only way.

it is important for Sikhs to take amrit because that is an important part of our religion without which you can't be considered Guru ka Sikh, hence can't meet Waheguru Ji because you didn't follow your relgion fully.

i hope that mkes sense. if i am wrong, please correct me

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In his katha of Japji Sahib Gyani Thakur Singh says that if a good muslim, adhering to all aspects of islam reach paradise. however they after a period of time they are returned to the world.

Gyani Ji emphasises the need to meditate on naam, im assuming that Muslims dont do this. He says that a person who does good deeds, but who does not meditate on naam, upon entering sachkand are given a garland. each flower on the garland represents a good deed. slowly these flowers die and perish, and when all the good deeds have been exhausted through time in this way the person returns to the world.

But as Sikhs maharaj tells us to jap naam. in the mool mantar for example. so i guess its different for gursikhs.

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He says that a person who does good deeds, but who does not meditate on naam, upon entering sachkand are given a garland. each flower on the garland represents a good deed. slowly these flowers die and perish, and when all the good deeds have been exhausted through time in this way the person returns to the world.
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Wearing flowers in Sachkandh, really? I thought it was only hindu gods who wear these in their heavens/realms, and I thought only sikhs who have meditated on naam are allowed to enter sachkandh?

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I posted a question recently on this site and I was misinterpreated as a Muslim. Infact I am a young Sikh male wanting to know more about Sikhi. I use the internet for the majority of the time, but when I cannot find anything on the topic then I use this site.

My question is, what will happen to people from other faiths after their death? For example, a Christian priest, Islamic molvi etc. These people follow their relgion strictly, but doing this are against the principles of Sikhi.

What is the Sikhi story to creation and the first people on earth?

EDIT: Why are peoples writing such as Kabir and Sheik Farid in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji aswell? And is wearing a Dastar mandatory, or just the convienient way to keep our Kesh maintained tidely?

Thank you, please forgive me if I have upset anyone by asking this question.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ka Fateh!

All religions have some aspect of Truth in them (we'll spell this with a capital T). This Truth is the path to God. Some religions have more of it, some have less of it. how much your soul moves forward spiritually is determined by God's grace and how much you live your life in alignment with Truth. Those who follow principles of Truth will eliminate bad karam, gain good karam, and probably gain a better next life. Muslims etc will go to heaven. After using up a lot of good deeds, they will then come back to earth.

all the heavens, hellls, earth are within maya. Sach khand, which is our ultimate destination, is outside of this. When all of one's karma is used up, one gains mukti from life and death. Only those who are mukt can go to sach khand.

Bhagat Kabir ji and Sheikh Farid ji (eventually) fully lived their life in accordance with Truth, they achieved mukti. They were great saints and their writing has teachings for us to live in line with Truth as well, which is why it is included.

Wearing a dastar is mandatory in our dharm. All dharms have rules etc which are designed as part of an outer wrapping to protect the internal kernal of spirituality from being destroyed.

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What Guptkuri is trying to say is- some people don't recognize themselves as Sikhs, yet they follow Sikhi. Sikhi is universal, patalaa pataal lakh agasaa gaas. Anywhere in the Universe, Sikhi is true.

Taking Amrit is initiation into the Khalsa Panth and for someone who follows Guru Sahibs everyone should take Amrit.

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Here is what I have understood from other GurSikhs. I am not any authority so please feel to disagree or point out mistakes.

Everyone gets what they aim for. Hindus worship deities and wish to reach the lok (realm) of that deity. Muslims and Christians aim for heaven. A good Hindu/Muslim/Christian does manage to achieve what he/she aspires for as a result of good deeds and the best way they follow their faith. A Sikh's ultimate destination is Sachkhand, i.e. union with Akaal Purakh Vaheguroo as SunSingh also stated. Realms, heavens and hells are temporary motels where you go, enjoy the rewards of your good deeds (flowers as raja pointed out), and then you are back to destination earth. Unlike Semitic religions, we don't condemn non-Sikhs to eternal damnation (permanent hell). Rather, we believe that they get what they aim for.

I am no one to say what is the best way or what is not, but for me its Sikhi. I believe it is the only true way because it is for me. Bhai Gurdas Jee has clearly said "Nanak Nirmal Panth Chalaya", meaning that Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaj started a flawless way of life. Amrit is something even Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj took. If all religions are equal, if all lead to God, why would Sikhi come to this planet in the first place?

At the end of the day, all you guys and ladies are free to believe in what you want to and choose to believe in. Its your life, and your relationship with Gurujee. Whatever you believe in will decide your consequences in the afterlife. So choose wisely.

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Here is what I have understood from other GurSikhs. I am not any authority so please feel to disagree or point out mistakes.

Everyone gets what they aim for. Hindus worship deities and wish to reach the lok (realm) of that deity. Muslims and Christians aim for heaven. A good Hindu/Muslim/Christian does manage to achieve what he/she aspires for as a result of good deeds and the best way they follow their faith. A Sikh's ultimate destination is Sachkhand, i.e. union with Akaal Purakh Vaheguroo as SunSingh also stated. Realms, heavens and hells are temporary motels where you go, enjoy the rewards of your good deeds (flowers as raja pointed out), and then you are back to destination earth. Unlike Semitic religions, we don't condemn non-Sikhs to eternal damnation (permanent hell). Rather, we believe that they get what they aim for.

I am no one to say what is the best way or what is not, but for me its Sikhi. I believe it is the only true way because it is for me. Bhai Gurdas Jee has clearly said "Nanak Nirmal Panth Chalaya", meaning that Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaj started a flawless way of life. Amrit is something even Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj took. If all religions are equal, if all lead to God, why would Sikhi come to this planet in the first place?

At the end of the day, all you guys and ladies are free to believe in what you want to and choose to believe in. Its your life, and your relationship with Gurujee. Whatever you believe in will decide your consequences in the afterlife. So choose wisely.

So are you trying to indicate that Sikhism is superior since sachkhand is union with God and we can recieve that as Sikhs? Then why is it a Muslim's fault he was born into a Muslim family? Or a Hindu's fault? They aren't exposed to the teachings of Sikhism. Please clarify.

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What Guptkuri is trying to say is- some people don't recognize themselves as Sikhs, yet they follow Sikhi.

Can you name any Gursikhs in the past that took this stand, after Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj gave Amrit. Because the above does not make sense whatsoever. Following Sikhi means taking Amrit, which means giving your head to Guru Sahib. You can't follow Sikhi without giving your head.

Sikhi is universal, patalaa pataal lakh agasaa gaas. Anywhere in the Universe, Sikhi is true.

Taking Amrit is initiation into the Khalsa Panth and for someone who follows Guru Sahibs everyone should take Amrit.

Taking Amrit means being born/given yourself to into Gurmat(Sikhi) and now you are consider a Sikh because you gave your head to Guru Sahib. Sikhi is not about performing good deeds because you get rewards afterward. There is no reward in Sikhi. Gursikhs live accorrding to Sikhi because thats their breath of life. When other religions talk about breath of life they say use it for good because at the end you will get a reward. Sikhi is completely against this and say live as a Sikh and if not then why not gather all the wealth on this earth. What doesn't this world have that heaven will? It has everything from all sorts of powers to all sorts of luxury that some religious people are waiting for at the end. Sikhs don't want to escape from the cycle of birth and death, no paradise, no state of nothingness, no rewards, no going to any God, just singing Sri Waheguru ji for Sri Waheguru ji.

The cycle of birth and death exist, paradise exist, Jamdooth exist, Messenger of Death exist, the angels exist, the demon exist, the demi gods exist, but nothing matters, all are not important for a Sikh.

Other religions lead their goals, where they achieve heaven or some other reward they were looking for in their life time. If Christianity or other religions lead to Sri Waheguru ji then why did Sri Waheguru ji come as Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj and teach Gurmat?

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So are you trying to indicate that Sikhism is superior since sachkhand is union with God and we can recieve that as Sikhs?

Sikhs don't even understand that Sikhi has no destination. Sikhs need to understand that Sikhi is the 'reward'. This lifestyle we live is not going to get us anywhere in terms of heaven. Ever heard a Sant say I am going anywhere. There is no where to go Sri Waheguru ji is here, realize him in the time we have on this earth.

Then why is it a Muslim's fault he was born into a Muslim family? Or a Hindu's fault? They aren't exposed to the teachings of Sikhism. Please clarify.

You can say the same for an atheist who grow up in an atheist family. They don't even believe in God. If you want someone to blame then blame the creator himself. This is a question more on Karma. What ever Sri Waheguru ji subjectsa person to then that's where they are. Then the question comes up on free will. Which exist to a certain point, but majority of the time the five vices kills this free will and makes the person commit the same mistakes over and over.

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You can say the same for an atheist who grow up in an atheist family. They don't even believe in God. If you want someone to blame then blame the creator himself. This is a question more on Karma. What ever Sri Waheguru ji subjectsa person to then that's where they are. Then the question comes up on free will. Which exist to a certain point, but majority of the time the five vices kills this free will and makes the person commit the same mistakes over and over.

Well my question is that if someone is born into a Non Sikh family then that means it was due to their karma that they werent exposed to Sikhi, but what about the years before Guru Nanak Dev Ji? I know this question is often asked, but I've never really found an answer from the Sikhs who believe that Sikhi is the more superior path or lifestyle. (by the way, this does not mean I am referring to you Only Five Ji I am just asking a question in general, just to clarify)

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Well my question is that if someone is born into a Non Sikh family then that means it was due to their karma that they werent exposed to Sikhi, but what about the years before Guru Nanak Dev Ji? I know this question is often asked, but I've never really found an answer from the Sikhs who believe that Sikhi is the more superior path or lifestyle. (by the way, this does not mean I am referring to you Only Five Ji I am just asking a question in general, just to clarify)

Bhenji, let's back up at the beginning of the universe. How, what did a soul do to be born to be animals or plants or a rock first? Gurbani tells us only Sri Waheguru ji existed and then he created the universe, so now how did he decide which soul is to be a human or animal, or rock? We had no existence before so how can we be doing anything good or bad to make our karma. We can't say Sri Waheguru ji favored one soul over the other, because in Sri Mool Mantar Sahib we have Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj telling us, Sri Waheguru ji is without hate and fear. Or did he create everyone as the lostest life form and make us work our way up to the human life form and that's where our karma brought us today. We have bhagats that have their bani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj and they left this earth before Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj came to this earth. So we know Shabad Guru was here since the beginning of time. But how did Bhagat Naamdev ji realize the Shabad Guru and the other people did not? Only answer i can come to is he was blessed by Guru Sahib and recieved the understanding and devotion. We can discuss this forever.

Do we really need to answer the question of whose fault it is other people were not put on the path of Sikhi to say Sikhi is a path to Sri Waheguru ji and others lead to a destination of heaven, paradise, nothingness, etc? It's not something the Sikhs made up that other religions take their own people to these destinations. These guys made it up themselves and preach this stuff all over the world. Maybe that's how much understanding was given to these people of other religions and instead of attaching themselves to the truth(Gurmat like Bhagat Naamdev ji did) they organized groups and said i follow this path only and they only follow that path. Maybe these people liked what the religion offered them and they were attracted to that one religion over the other. There are numerous possiblities here and we can discuss till we are blue in the face.

Who said a Muslim has to be a Muslim, and Hindu has to be a Hindu? They can let their religious ties go. They are attached to their religion and don't want to follow Gurmat. We have Guru nindaks that call themselves Sikhs and they don't follow Gurmat. Whose fault is it that these guys have gone off Gurmat. Truely what we are trying to discuss here is Sri Waheguru ji's command. We know what we know from looking at other religions and see what they teach and (which is the only thing that matters) what for. The reason behind an act is what makes it Gurmat or Manmat(ritual/following the mind, begging for materialist things, countless others). A Muslim in this world today, just like a person who calls himself a Sikh, both have one thing in common. They are stuck on Manmat. The Koran teaches a Muslim to follow Allah, but the Koran also takes the Muslim astray from Allah. The directions are not clear to Allah(i'm refering to Sri Waheguru ji as Allah here) They limit Sri Waheguru ji aswell in the Koran. Just because something speaks of God, it does not make it all true.

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