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I dont think we can say that manpreet is less reliable than real badals. He has good qualities than his cousin and uhda bapu.

Seriously, religion should not come into the play when running a country but however the sikh head of state MUST show real respect and believe strongly in sikhi. That way only he will make good reliable decisions. Manpreet fault lies where he take proud in saying that he wont seek nor interested sikh religioys vote.

Regarding manpreet violating sikh rehat is different personal thing. He being patit now is betyer than his cousin who commits large sins but hidden behind sikhi roop. However, it will play major role when sikhs like me who will vote. During british india time, goray would court sikh soldiers who found violating sikh rehat. To me the person who cant run his/her life in sikhi discipline then how can he run a much troubouled bankrupt state.

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In a perfect world the ideal leader would be one who lives his life according to Sikhi, but is also a genuinely first class statesman who has a grasp of political issues facing Punjab as well as some actual solutions. If he's a wonderful Sikh but can't run Punjab for toffee then that won't be of help to anyone. Same goes the other way (weak Sikh but decent statesman). There needs to be someone the people can look up to. Sadly I don't think any of the current crop can be described in this way.

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You are mistaken COMMUNISM is a Socio-economic ideology, not just an economic theory. If Mao Zedong could have his own version of communism, so could the religious people.

The only reason communist countries have not allowed religious freedom is to prevent the development of alternative power bases that may challenge the State.

You just answered yourself, how religion could be part of communism.

Communism is an economic ideology where the State owns/controls the means of production, including Land, Labour and Capital. It has nothing to do with religion.

The only reason communist countries have not allowed religious freedom is to prevent the development of alternative power bases that may challenge the State.

The idea that Manpreet Badal is a communist is laughable. He is a scion of a family with enormous business interests in India and abroad.

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You are mistaken COMMUNISM is a Socio-economic ideology, not just an economic theory. If Mao Zedong could have his own version of communism, so could the religious people.

You just answered yourself, how religion could be part of communism.

I think none of the main political parties will serve the Sikhs well;

Congress- we all know there anti Sikh agenda although Amrinder Singh is better than their past leaders.

Communists- They aligned themselves with the Congress to pursue an anti Sikh agenda. Now a non entity as most of them have no idea about communism just the anti religion/Sikh bit. In fact the ones that came to the West became the biggest followers of Captalism whilst attacking Sikhism at the same time.

Badal Akali Dal - BJP/RSS combine. They dropped the Sikh agenda in the 1995 Moga conference as part of the tie up with the BJP/RSS. now call themselves Punjabis only.

Manpreet Badal- Fallen out with the Badals, will tie up with the Congress or get back in with Badal Akalis after a few deals.

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I think I can agree on some of the points highlighted below. The Manpreet guy seems to be someone who will end up going back to the badal dal and it seems as if it is a political stunt by the akalis to gain some sort of attention (God knows what). I must say, that a new political movement is needed in Punjab and it could be a democratic socialist movement...it does not have to be in the hands of the communists, nonetheles all policies must be relative to the agrarian reform and political cleansing (must keep religious disagreement at a distance). A agrarian support will take a aggressive stand against Badal and the central government because even in many parts of India people are struggling with land reforms. Especially among dalit and adivasi communities who are offered land, yet nothing.

I think none of the main political parties will serve the Sikhs well;

Congress- we all know there anti Sikh agenda although Amrinder Singh is better than their past leaders.

Communists- They aligned themselves with the Congress to pursue an anti Sikh agenda. Now a non entity as most of them have no idea about communism just the anti religion/Sikh bit. In fact the ones that came to the West became the biggest followers of Captalism whilst attacking Sikhism at the same time.

Badal Akali Dal - BJP/RSS combine. They dropped the Sikh agenda in the 1995 Moga conference as part of the tie up with the BJP/RSS. now call themselves Punjabis only.

Manpreet Badal- Fallen out with the Badals, will tie up with the Congress or get back in with Badal Akalis after a few deals.

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Before the Khalistan movement, the Naxalites were very strong up until the point in which their groups and leaders disintegrated, the fake police encounters used by the Punjab Police were first used to wipe out those involved with the Naxalite lehar. Many Jujharoos of the Khalistan movement had backgrounds in the Naxal movement. The Naxalite movement attracted various races and many Singh's, later some of these Singh's took part in Khalistan movement whereas those with Atheist belief became cats and touts.

To say a Communist type movement has no base in Punjab is by no means true, the people of Punjab are fed up as no party, whether it be Congress or a "Sikh" party (Akali Dal) is coming up with any solutions to the number of growing problems. With that being said, there at present is no Sikh personality who can take on the Badal family and come out victorious. Panthic Singh's must firstly take control of SGPC, elect a non biased and worthy Jathedar of Sri Akal Takhat Sahib who has no allegience to any party or person except his Guru, then control the Punjab state before a Sikh state can be accomplished.

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Nexalite movement in Punjab was a spill over from w Bengal. It was never a mass movement in Punjab as communists had skeleton presence in Punjab. They were suppressed by administration. Students from colleges were involved in it but their support was marginal. That is the reason they failed.

Akalis were the ones to start movement in punjab for greater automony. They were joined by Sant Bhindrewale. Main supporters of Sant Bhindrewale were All India sikh students federation.The federation was headed by Bhai Amrik Singh who was a devout sikh and naam abhiasi. He had kamai of Naam and gave his life for sikh movement.

To say that ex nexalites were the main stay of khalistan movement is not true. Harmandir sandhu was from Punjab students union which had communist leanings but never a nexalite. He surrendered to security forces and divulged all secrets of movement. Later he was killed by Labh singh.

Communist and its backers were in league with congress and were the main enemies of this movement. They were touts of security forces and were black cats.Few of them were killed by khlistanis and hanged from the poles around Amritsar. If i remember correctly their leader's name was chhina.He was hanged from a pole.

Communists are anti religion and have no base in Punjab villages where majority of sikhs live.Sikhs of Punjab know about these fake communists who may be masquerading under panthic garb. Most of them are ex cats or friends of ex cats. One such cat is dead in police records but alive in reality.

Communism and religion do not go together.Either you are a sikh or a communist.

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This is the story of one such cat who is dead in records but alive in reality

http://panthic.org/articles/2263

'DEAD' MAN WORKED AGAINST PANTH FOR PUNJAB POLICE

PANTHIC.ORG | Published on February 19, 2006

Amritsar, Punjab (KP) - From the early eighties to the present, the Sikh freedom fighters have been betrayed by individuals who they believed to be their very own. During those two decades, it became common knowledge that the Punjab Police had actively recruited petty criminals such as Ajit Poohla, and Gurmeet 'Pinky' to do their dirty work. Now, official details are emerging of a covert program that 'converted' certain individuals amongst the freedom fighters themselves into police 'cats' in order to eliminate from within. In the past such claims have always been debunked by government officials.

Enter, Sukhwinder Singh Sukhi alias Harjit Singh Kahlon. He alleges to be an ex-member of the Khalistan Liberation Force and was proclaimed dead in an encounter by the Punjab Police nearly 14 years ago. Now he has been found to be alive and well. It was discovered that Sukhwinder Singh was living in the Punjab city of Jalandhar under his new alias and running a business.

Sukhwinder Singh joined the ranks of the Sikh freedom fighters in the early eighties and was arrested several times by the Indian Security Forces. Ultimately, he decided to work for the Indian authorities instead of the Sikh cause. After being won over by the Punjab Police and wanting to join the 'mainstream', he began actively taking part in operations to eliminate former fellow Sikh freedom fighters. He is alleged to have provided the Indian Security Forces information on the fighters' whereabouts, location of weapons storage sites and inside information on their organization's structure and workings.

In order to protect such a valuable asset, the Indian Security Forces decided to have it announced that Sukhi was killed in a police encounter. His 'death' would make it easier for him to work with the government forces under his new identity. With a new life, Sukhi began enjoying the direct patronage of the Director-General of Punjab Police. He initially lived in Delhi, from where he routinely made trips to Punjab to deliver information and tips to the Punjab Police about his ex-associates.

In a news conference held by S.S Virk, the Punjab DGP along with K.P Gill, disclosed that there were many more militants turned police informers like Sukhi. At least 300 more were from Punjab alone. DGP Virk also went on to say that after encounters with militants, the Police had to cremate many unidentified bodies and one of these unidentified bodies was falsely said to be that of Sukhwinder Singh Sukhi. He further stated that the police could not just go by the rulebooks, but was compelled to resort to these methods due to circumstances. His former boss, the notorious, KP Gill, who is seen by the Sikh masses as a mass murder of the innocent, proclaimed that there was no mention of the word terrorism in the Indian constitution so there were no laws on dealing with such a situation. Therefore, any and every method was justified.

Sukhwinder Singh Sukhi has claimed that he is currently aligned with the Shiromani Khalsa Dal headed by Daljit Singh Bittu and works for the magazine 'Sikh Shahdat'. Bittu, another ex-militant, whose prision life sentence was msteriously commuted, has also raised suspicions in Panthic circles to have been also won over by governmental agencies.

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I agree with GPS that the Naxalite movement was interdependent on Sikh or Punjabi jathabandi's in Punjab to carry out propaganda and their socio-economic agenda. The communist idea is not something new in Punjab, in fact it is very common for the university student in Punjab (even today) to come across Bhagat Singh and his influence from the Bolshevik Revolution and various text by Lenin and Mao. One of the main reasons for Naxalite failure in Punjab was the ideological shift from the initial adoptation of the west bengal movement (To start a Revolution and a complete turnover of the current political and social conditions in order to set a stage for socialism) in to something different. The naxalite leadership in Punjab began to initiate peaceful dialogues, which is very anti-communist. When the Naxalites were enforcing their agrarian policies in a lot of the villages in Punjab by killing the landlords and distributing land, a division occurred in west bengal which I believe affected the Punjab leadership of the naxalites as well. So, the vitality of the west bengal leadership weakend due to some ideological differences and mostly because of selfish leaders which affected every other naxalite movement.

The Naxalites faded away from the scene completely as an independent entity by the 1980s by emerging with the Akalis. Although there were stil many communist elements in the ananpur resolution if one reads it or the Sikh movement itself. I must disagree with Neverforget84dotcom when he generalizes the Atheist being the black cats, whereas the truth is almost 90% of the cats were Sikhs. Once again this is not the point I am wanting to discuss, I believe Punjab can survive as an independent nation without the help of India. I hope to write a paper on why Punjab or any nation has the right to secede and through what methods. Punjab is a very interesting location for a revolution due to its diversity of problems shared by all Punjabis whether hindu, sikh or muslim or atheist.

Again I hope we can all read more about Communism and especially about Mao Zedong or just read political philosophy in general. Just because communism aspires a atheistic bases for their agenda does not mean Sikhs cannot edit some of the elements in order to suit their revolution. Mao Zedong brought a new communism to his china, where the peasantry would overthrow the government and THE RUSSIANS WERE LAUGHING. History has spoken that Mao succeeded and brought the Russian Communists to their knees and I believe Religious Communalism can work. We dont even have to call it communism if it bothers us that much. But only a political movement will succeed in Punjab, although I cannot overlook the possibility of an religious overthrow which was a fiasco in the past.

Nexalite movement in Punjab was a spill over from w Bengal. It was never a mass movement in Punjab as communists had skeleton presence in Punjab. They were suppressed by administration. Students from colleges were involved in it but their support was marginal. That is the reason they failed.

Akalis were the ones to start movement in punjab for greater automony. They were joined by Sant Bhindrewale. Main supporters of Sant Bhindrewale were All India sikh students federation.The federation was headed by Bhai Amrik Singh who was a devout sikh and naam abhiasi. He had kamai of Naam and gave his life for sikh movement.

To say that ex nexalites were the main stay of khalistan movement is not true. Harmandir sandhu was from Punjab students union which had communist leanings but never a nexalite. He surrendered to security forces and divulged all secrets of movement. Later he was killed by Labh singh.

Communist and its backers were in league with congress and were the main enemies of this movement. They were touts of security forces and were black cats.Few of them were killed by khlistanis and hanged from the poles around Amritsar. If i remember correctly their leader's name was chhina.He was hanged from a pole.

Communists are anti religion and have no base in Punjab villages where majority of sikhs live.Sikhs of Punjab know about these fake communists who may be masquerading under panthic garb. Most of them are ex cats or friends of ex cats. One such cat is dead in police records but alive in reality.

Communism and religion do not go together.Either you are a sikh or a communist.

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One of the greatest failings of all the main political parties has been the failure to investigate and bring to justice those involved in the genocidal campaign against Sikhs in the Punjab 1978 onwards. All the main parties behave as if nothing happened and go to lengths to show how opposed they are to any idea of Sikh self determination. Jaswant Singh Khalara was a member of the Badal Akali Dal but his widow got no help from them.

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