Is Krishna The Most Supreme God Worshipped In Guru Granth Sahib Also ?

[Guest SarabjeetSingh]

I was not going to say so , but after going through these , what is to say that Krishna isn't Akal Purakh Waheguru himself ?

O my Father, Lord of wealth, blessed are You, long-haired, dark-skinned, my darling. ||1||Pause||

ਕਰ ਧਰੇ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਤੇ ਆਏ ਗਜ ਹਸਤੀ ਕੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਉਧਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥

You hold the steel chakra in Your hand; You came down from Heaven, and saved the life of the elephant.

ਦੁਹਸਾਸਨ ਕੀ ਸਭਾ ਦ੍ਰੋਪਤੀ ਅੰਬਰ ਲੇਤ ਉਬਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥੧॥

In the court of Duhsaasan, You saved the honor of Dropati, when her clothes were being removed. ||1||

ਗੋਤਮ ਨਾਰਿ ਅਹਲਿਆ ਤਾਰੀ ਪਾਵਨ ਕੇਤਕ ਤਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥

You saved Ahliyaa, the wife of Gautam; how many have You purified and carried across?

ਐਸਾ ਅਧਮੁ ਅਜਾਤਿ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਤਉ ਸਰਨਾਗਤਿ ਆਈਅਲੇ ॥੨॥੨॥

Such a lowly outcaste as Naam Dayv has come seeking Your Sanctuary. ||2||2||

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Pondering over above shabad , wasn't it Krishna who saved honor of draupadi ? Also , God is formless , Chakra is related to Krishna .

ਨਿਰਾਹਾਰੀ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਸਮਾਇਆ ॥

He is beyond need of any sustenance, free of hate and all-pervading.

ਧਾਰਿ ਖੇਲੁ ਚਤੁਰਭੁਜੁ ਕਹਾਇਆ ॥

He has staged His play; He is called the four-armed Lord.

ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਰੂਪ ਬਣਾਵਹਿ ਬੇਣੁ ਸੁਨਤ ਸਭ ਮੋਹੈਗਾ ॥੯॥

He assumed the beautiful form of the blue-skinned Krishna; hearing His flute, all are fascinated and enticed. ||9||

ਬਨਮਾਲਾ ਬਿਭੂਖਨ ਕਮਲ ਨੈਨ ॥

He is adorned with garlands of flowers, with lotus eyes.

ਸੁੰਦਰ ਕੁੰਡਲ ਮੁਕਟ ਬੈਨ ॥

His ear-rings, crown and flute are so beautiful.

ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਾ ਸਾਰਥੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਾ ॥੧੦॥

He carries the conch, the chakra and the war club; He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. ||10||

ਪੀਤ ਪੀਤੰਬਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣ ਧਣੀ ॥

The Lord of yellow robes, the Master of the three worlds.

ਜਗੰਨਾਥੁ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਭਣੀ ॥

The Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the world; with my mouth, I chant His Name.

ਸਾਰਿੰਗਧਰ ਭਗਵਾਨ ਬੀਠੁਲਾ ਮੈ ਗਣਤ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਸਰਬੰਗਾ ॥੧੧॥

The Archer who draws the bow, the Beloved Lord God; I cannot count all His limbs. ||11||

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The above shabad also sounds similar to description of Krishna . Actually , a RSS Sikh hater used same shabad against me to prove that Sikhism also worships Krishna .

ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਮਾਲਾ ਤਿਲਕੁ ਬਿਰਾਜਿਤ ਦੇਖਿ ਪ੍ਰਤਾਪੁ ਜਮੁ ਡਰਿਓ ॥

He is adorned with the conch, the chakra, the mala and the ceremonial tilak mark on his forehead; gazing upon his radiant glory, the Messenger of Death is scared away.

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CAN SOME SIKHS PUT SOME LIGHT ON THIS TOPIC ?

[2468]

Ok here goes. In a sense you a right however what guru sahib is speaking of is deeper than what it seems. Guru sahib is speaking of the dimensions of what akaal purakh manifests in and its shakti. Same way how guru sahib has done ustat of devi chandi mata and has used references of this shakti being displayed in many forms. nirgun and satgun being two forms the physical manifestation of akaal purakh has always been coming on earth space universe... from the starting and even before guru nanak dev ji. "jab jab hoth aristh apara tabh tabh deh dharat avtara." so taking this tuk in context akaal p[urakh has taken many forms where its shakti has been represented through ram, krishan, bhrama, chandi, kali, guru nanak dev ji etc. however the guru sahibs have been given a higher status than the devteh because they have concurred all the 5 chor and have shown simran being akaal purakhs pooja ( the ultimate and final source) without having mankind worship them. in dasam granth guru sahib confirms that befoire taking birth he did tapasiya that he became one with akaalpurak so no difference between akaal purakh and guru sahib, showing that the gurus jot is one with akaalpurakh and later on even says that if anyone calls him god will go to hell. again this may seem contradictive however its showing a point what guru sahib has made of what they are and is saying that the ultimate simran is only of akaalpurakh not visible form. understand this sort of stuff is deep very deep very very deep however its simple as well again contradiction however when looking at the dimensions its not. another example we say guru nanak we "manifestation" of god himself "roop rabh dah" however god him self (guru nanak) i the form of god and shakti of god in guru nanak is saying to do simran of akalpurakh so in a way it is god telling you what to do ... sorry if this is confusing and typed in a rubbish format however have tried to make it simple.

[mohinder pal]

We have Gurbani from Bhagat Naamdevji, Bhagat Kabir Ji, Bhagat Soordasji who were blessed with the darshan of Shri Krihsna. If sikhs today think Shri Kirshna was something out of Sikh Dharam, then why these Bhagats in SGGSji are praising the Sargun Avttar of Akal Purakh.

kvl nYn mDur bYn koit sYn sMg soB khq mw jsod ijsih dhI Bwqu Kwih jIau ]

kaval nain maDhur bain kot sain sang sobh kahat maa jasod jisahi dahee bhaat khaahi jee-o.

You are lotus-eyed, with sweet speech, exalted and embellished with millions of companions. Mother Yashoda invited You as Krishna to eat the sweet rice.

Even though GURU GOBIND SINGH JI MAHARAJI in Shri Dasam Granth telling that these avttars of vishnu were under the delusion of Maya and Mahakaal. But they had come on Matlok on the Hukam of Akal Purkh to kill Ravan,Kill Kans, to Kill Harnakishipu.....and so on and establish the Dharam. but all these avtaars of Vishnu,Brahma and Shiv are under thri-gun(under the delusion of Maya). that is why Akal Purakh created something called 'SATGURU' which was Chautha-Gun(out of Maya Delusion). Satguru is not something which had Started which the Birth of Guru Nanak Dev ji; Satguru has been there since the creation, Before the creation and going on and would go on.

its very difficult to expalin caertain things in SGGSJI, only puran Mahapursh,Satguru or Puran Sant can tell what is the real meaning behind What Guru Gobind singh ji Telling and what SGGSJi is telling.

Bhika baat agham ki, kahan sunan ki nahi

Jo jaane so kahe nahi, jo kahe so jaane nahi

(Bhika, the truth is, not said or heard. Those who know, do not say, and those who say, know not...)

[Matheen]

In Sri Dasam Granth, Guru Ji explains that Krishna is born and dies and there have been many Krishnas since time began. So, no, he isn't worshipped. His good qualities are praised however. In fact, In Chaubis Avtaar, Guru Ji makes it quite clear why we don't worship Krishna.

You have to place the above Shabad in context - best listen to Katha from Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji (on www.gurmatveechar.com) where they explain the shabad in depth.

[ajit07]

there are many indiras,vishnus,bramhas,krishnas,they are born,many times and many times recieve death,if krishna was a god why was he the ony who held the reigns of the horses was not arjun duty, the quote of guru gobind singh ji if i left anything out or made a error many pardons

[mohinder pal]

Arjun was one of the Shrest bhagat of Shri Krishna(Refer to Bhagvad Gita). SGGSJi says- TU bhagtan Ke Vas Bhagta'n Taan Tera.

[Singh559]

Like Ajit veer ji said there are many of these avtars in HUMAN form and have good characteristics. People started to worship the person and the good qualities but forgot Waheguru and Akaal Purakh.

The bahmans made this system as a power hold over the people.

[Only five]

We have Gurbani from Bhagat Naamdevji, Bhagat Kabir Ji, Bhagat Soordasji who were blessed with the darshan of Shri Krihsna. If sikhs today think Shri Kirshna was something out of Sikh Dharam, then why these Bhagats in SGGSji are praising the Sargun Avttar of Akal Purakh.

kvl nYn mDur bYn koit sYn sMg soB khq mw jsod ijsih dhI Bwqu Kwih jIau ]

kaval nain maDhur bain kot sain sang sobh kahat maa jasod jisahi dahee bhaat khaahi jee-o.

You are lotus-eyed, with sweet speech, exalted and embellished with millions of companions. Mother Yashoda invited You as Krishna to eat the sweet rice.

Mohinder pal, how much praising is done in this shabad.

jIA aupwie jugiq hiQ kInI kwlI niQ ikAw vfw BieAw ]

jeea oupaae jugath hathh keenee kaalee nathh kiaa vaddaa bhaeiaa ||

You created all beings, and You hold the world in Your Hands; what greatness is it to put a ring in the nose of the black cobra, as Krishna did?

Krishna was not the Sargun Avtaar of Akal Purakh. If Krishna was, then Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj would not have questioned Krishna's actions.

[mohinder pal]

As i said earliar, Some avtaars come just for some specific purpose, and some come to spread Naam and Sikhi.

[Only five]

As i said earliar, Some avtaars come just for some specific purpose, and some come to spread Naam and Sikhi.

Krishna was no avtaar of Akal Purakh. He could be an avtaar of whatever else you claim he is, but not Akal Purakh. Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj would not question Krishna's actions if he was. Read the full shabad of the line i posted. And then read what Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj says about Krishna in Dhan Dhan Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji Maharaj. They were sent with powers to uphold dharma, but got lost in the power they had and left.