Does This Mean Sikhs Also Believe In Existence Of Adam ( And Eve ) ?

[11Gurus1Jot]

My problem with these "alternative history" theories that the likes of David Icke, and the fella above, etc., propose is that there is no mention of Sikhi in their theories.

Sikhi is meant to be the light which leads this world towards the Truth, yet none of these people even acknowledge the existence of Sikhi. Predictably, they bung it in with all the other "organised religions" of the world. So how I can believe anything these people say when Sikhi isn't even on the radar of these people?

If they have the answers as they claim they do, then surely at least 1 of them has been told by his inter-dimensional buddies that there is a faith on Earth that is the solution to the world's problems, i.e. Sikhi?

Kaljugi - the other theorist, who are of the same ilk as Icke, would never dare to venture too deep into Sikhi, as then all would be explained to them! Then they would have nothing to 'theorise' over!:BL:

[VanHelsingh]

Kaljugi - the other theorist, who are of the same ilk as Icke, would never dare to venture too deep into Sikhi, as then all would be explained to them! Then they would have nothing to 'theorise' over!:BL:

True, true. That's why I'm a bit weary of these kind of theories, because although they make sense in some areas of life and the world, the most important issue (i.e. religion and Sikhi) isn't mentioned.

[Harjeet]

Like i said everyone is at different levels on their spirituality. We all the reap the consequences of our past actions. Don't look at theories, look at facts. You may of seen some videos on the internet, but people don't always get a chance to explain their evidence in small video clips. Sikhi is mentioned, but like i said its coming from their own perspective, as remember we are all at different stages on our spirituality right now. You have got to use your heart to distinguish if someone is of pure intent, ask yourself "are they meaning well", "are they trying to get the truth out, that they know of." If you have read alot of David Icke's work you realise many of the things he is saying is just like Sikhi, except he uses his own words to describe things, as really he has no knowledge of Sikhi, because once again everyone is at different levels of their Sikhi, we all know different things. I have a feeling more and more people are going to embrace Sikhi now, they just haven't discovered it yet. And they will be shocked to know, how correct it all is!

e.g. David Icke says, infinite love is the only truth, everything else is an illusion. But we as Sikh's know that infinite love is Waheguru, and everything else is maya. So he basically describing Sikhi from his own point view. But it is the same thing really. People are starting to wake up to Sikhi now. People like Icke may have alot of worldy knowledge but they are only scratching the surface of true spirituality.But don't let that take anything away from the other things they have said, which turned out to be true.But Sikhi is much more deeper!

[11Gurus1Jot]

In a previous post in this topic I said that the Punjabi word 'Aadami' had a connection to Adam (as in Adam and Eve)

I have been that Aadami referes to the fact that we only remain on this earth whilst we are breathing (Dam Dami) - Aadami.

[Bored]

before posting the false information above you guys should try to understrand it. gurbani never beleived in adam and eve. its used as a metaphor. gurbani tried to reach people at all people of faith. this was one way at reaching muslims in order to show them that god exists in everyone.

sggs beleiving in adam and eve would be a contradict to itself since as we all know, gurbani has clearly claimed that noone knows when this world began. adam and eve are suppose to be 6000 years old whereas its scientifically proven to be false. Gurbani itself knows that life was not 6000 years old. You people need to educate yourselves b4 posting false info that will just end up spreading to younf learners and also end up feeding a few muslim's egos

[Bored]

that 'the father of mankind' is just a add on by the translator, what a <banned word filter activated>

[11Gurus1Jot]

Bored. Thanks for your comments. But, who is saying the Guru Ji believed in Adam and Eve? We know that Guru Ji knew that other people believed in Adam and Eve, but who is saying that Guru Ji believed in Adam and Eve in this Topic?:umm:

[Kharkooartsy]

i believe in evolution however i would never say that gurbani is wrong..

christainity is based on what came before it.. character of virgin mary is based on pagan godess venus.. jesus based on apollo i think?

gurbani talks about hindu gods and godesses.. gurbani also talks about adam and eve.. gurbani doesnt deny any of the beliefs that existed before.. gurbani also talks about jesus christ in chaupai sahibs.. says god is jesus christ of all people not just christains... savior of all..

lot of people say that because guru nanak dev ji said no to the caste and other wrong beliefs.... people say gurbani teaches to question- that is absolutely wrong.. bharam is seen as a really really bad thing..

bhagat dhanna was bholla prayed to a murti (murti didnt have god in it or anything) but his pyar for vaheguroojee is what made vaheguroojee give him his darshan

god is not meant to be understood..guru bani says ... we get god thru innocence "bholle bhaav" not thru chalakian...

because so many pandhits had ridian sidian you can get mukhti.. but u can still not be one with vaheguroo jee..

you can be one with vaheguroojee only through pyar... god can only be experienced not understood because he is beyond our understanding..

the same way when you read bani try to understand what gurbani is saying... its wrong to pick out things and say ... do i believe in it or not..? because then you miss the whole point..

like christanity..takes so much from the pagan religion that existed before it... sikhi talks about the hindu gods and godesses..we cant assume that in sikhi we are supposed to pray to them lot of hindu/muslim..talk about number of times guru ji mention hindu godesses to prove that ...as sikhs we pray to them...

but those that know guru ji.. read bani know very well what we believe in..

http://sikhitothemax...p?ShabadID=4140

it doesnt matter to us what the devi devtas did.. we are not supposed to pray to them..we are not supposed to pray to adam and eve just because they are mentioned in gurbani

we are suposed to know the real essence of shabd..

what is the shbd saying.. ? read it with pyar/ w/o doubt so we could be one with vaheguroojee..

[puzzled]

Had no idea about this!  Just checked and it is on ang 1161.

It's written by bhagat kabeer ji        so adam does exist!   Otherwise guru sahib would of not inclides this verse? 

[MokhamSingh]

On 3/1/2011 at 8:01 AM, Guest SarabjeetSingh said:

ਬਾਬਾ ਆਦਮ ਕਉ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਦਰਿ ਦਿਖਾਈ ॥

He (God) bestowed His Grace on Adam, the father of mankind,

ਉਨਿ ਭੀ ਭਿਸਤਿ ਘਨੇਰੀ ਪਾਈ ॥੨॥

who then lived in paradise for a long time. ||2||

(Guru Granth Sahib : 1161)

I thought it was the belief of only the Abrahamic religions , but maybe I was wrong ?

The uthanka for this pangti is that, an egoistic Brahmin, said that Bhagat Kabir was not entitled to Swarg. The Brahmin claimed entitlement to Swarg based on his ‘higher caste’. He stated that Bhagat Kabir was of a ‘lower caste’, and hence not eligible for Swarg.

Kabir Ji said that he has no desire for Swarg. Kabila Ji says that Behkunt (

paradise) can only be found in Sadh Sangat.

Kabir Ji then goes on to say that, even the likes of Adam were thrown out of Swarg. So what chance do I have!

The sidhant of this shabad or pangti, is that Swarg is worthless, compared to Sat Sangat.

So why did Kabir Ji use Adam as an example? Gurbani uses many examples from sanatan stories. Is SGGS confirming the authenticity of Sanatan scriptures? Is SGGS Just drawing references in order to explain a meaning of a Sidhant?