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Don't join the military. Its not really what you think it is.

I know when people want to join the military, it is usually because they are of pure intent, im sure they want to help people. But if you know who the "Queen" really is and what her real agenda is, as of the Governments, you are helping to do more bad than good. If you are aware of their true agenda it makes you want to vomit. But there is a perfect way to help people. We got to find it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWhwmC7VKTM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZbeE0sZXWY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

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I know someone who served as a marine in Iraq and he changed his views after serving and kept kesh and started to tread the path of Sikhi. One of my best friends right now is in the army and will be deployed the Afghanistan soon...he didn't want to join but had to.

My advice is not saying you shouldn't join the military, inform yourself as to what you're getting yourself into. Do these fit with your ideals as a Sikh or not? Just think, that's all.
Good luck.
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Please JOIN :) You want equality, you want rights, you want govt/electorate to be fair with you, show them who you are... As always my catch phrase "break the bubble and live life"

Ref: Served Active Duty Tours, US Army

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"My People's" are where you live, the society that indirectly provides for you, the one you take part in ...

I provide for myself thank you. "Your" people don't do me any great favours. You should be thankful for us generally working so hard and causing so little grief here.

If a dog can't be of his own house whose house will he be off...

This is your kennel, you carry on being its dog. I'll carry on being an independent minded lion (Singh).

and back to your people's coment... read sam huntington's clash of civilizations... if us as sikhs stay course and believe the way we do that oh we are just sikhs and not british or american sikhs... thn idk... and as far as your opinion you are more thn welcome to...

How Sikhs choose to define themselves is surely their own prerogative? If you hypothetically went to Punjab to work or live, no one is going to tell you to call yourself Panjabi. Please extend the same courtesy back.

History has shown that oppressed have been liberated over centuries due to their service to militaries...

History has also shown us that people get used and abused like canon fodder too. That such people get roped into doing morally questionable stuff by their 'overlords' and get involved in seriously unethical wars too causing needless death.

and if you believe that sikhs have served long or numerically strong enough in UK or French or US military than sir you are wrong...

I think the period stretching from the mid 1800s to the end of WW2 is more than enough support for Brits. Now try fighting your own battles. Or is it that you are struggling to do this these days?

But military isn't the only way... politics/policy/outreach are a way too...

Maybe your own people can try opening their mouths about our political problems in Panjab instead of continually ignoring it for a start?

How many sikh moms or dads tell their kids not to mignle/hang out with goras at young age?

Many of the parents are genuinely scared that their children (especially daughters) may adopt the promiscuous, hedonistic, anything goes culture of many Brits, which is fair enough in my eyes. If goras want to live that, then good luck to them, nothing wrong with it. But if other communities don't want to encourage that type of stuff and keep their children away from its influence - fair play too.

... I come here here and there.. but am tired because if you search many ppl ask the same question over and over again... when a simple search would suffice...

Sorry I don't understand this?

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I provide for myself thank you. "Your" people don't do me any great favours. You should be thankful for us generally working so hard and causing so little grief here.

Keyword: indirectly

I think the period stretching from the mid 1800s to the end of WW2 is more than enough support for Brits. Now try fighting your own battles. Or is it that you are struggling to do this these days?

You are here for the "protections" this nation provides to you... least you can do is take part... don't forget your own (sikh) history

Maybe your own people can try opening their mouths about our political problems in Panjab instead of continually ignoring it for a start?

Each state has right to it's domestic affairs and no democracy will directly take part in anothers unless dare needs cal for such.. ie. libya

Many of the parents are genuinely scared that their children (especially daughters) may adopt the promiscuous, hedonistic, anything goes culture of many Brits, which is fair enough in my eyes. If goras want to live that, then good luck to them, nothing wrong with it. But if other communities don't want to encourage that type of stuff and keep their children away from its influence - fair play too.

Cultural relativism

Sorry I don't understand this?

This very issue has been discussed here many times...

Does anyone know if there is any British army recruitment happening outside Gurudwaras in Southall ??

Sorry Veer ji, for "hijacking" your topic... i hope someone will answer you soon or perhaps PM or you could contact gurghar directly

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At the end of the day, even with many peoples views of the military.... if there were not men out their defending their country none of us would be able to sit on our computers and berate them. I dont know about british, but US army is what you make of it. About 1/4th of my class has used it to pay for school, including many of the top kids in our class. A few kids did army to pay for undergrad... and they ALL say it was a great decision. If you want to serve your country and be a member of the military.... that is a fine and good thing. My biggest regret is not doing an air force scholarship for medical school, even though my wife was against it. A few members of my family went to the service academies, and to say they have done well is beyond an understatement.

Its your decision, and the fact that your considering it is a great thing.

-W

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At the end of the day, even with many peoples views of the military.... if there were not men out their defending their country none of us would be able to sit on our computers and berate them. I dont know about british, but US army is what you make of it. About 1/4th of my class has used it to pay for school, including many of the top kids in our class. A few kids did army to pay for undergrad... and they ALL say it was a great decision. If you want to serve your country and me a member of the military.... that is a fine and good thing. My biggest regret is not doing an air force scholarship for medical school, even though my wife was against it. A few members of my family went to the service academies, and to say they have done well is beyond an understatement.

Its your decision, and the fact that your considering it is a great thing.

-W

Well said :) After serving Active duty in both wars and having army pay for harvard tution and much more... only good things came out for me... I always recommend it to those capable, instead of being a burden in US on ed.gov, how about we capable hand earn it... It can help you go to grad school/law/med etc and even bump you up for a govt job :)

Rest is between you, your family... are you willing to do hard work, wake up early, and put your life on the line for your nation??

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I can't see how any intelligent Sikh can overlook what an army (they might be considering joining) engages in?

If they routinely get involved in unethical wars of aggression for resource control, it is right that conscious Sikhs question this and even objects to it. How can a Sikh divorce himself from the morality involved?

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