Man'S Turban Stolen In Southampton Race Attack

[dalsingh101]

Whilst, I encourage people to defend themselves if there is no other choice, I do not think that it is wise to encourage sikhs to go out and fight and end up in jail with criminal records as that is simply not wise and not the sign of a well thought through and tactical strategy. Especially when our community will be the first to criticise them.

I understand what you are saying, and indeed, I believe the lack of wider support certain groups experienced in the face of trying to combat problems in the way they did, played a big part in their later inaction and even disillusionment.

That being said, in many urban areas, reputations (based on prior action) do seem to work as a strong deterrent to aggression. It's a sad fact but it's true. I've seen it working with Jamaicans and 'asians' against racist whites in the past. I've seen Pakistanis later use this against aggressive members of the black community in certain areas.

Now, I'm not supporting or condoning it, but I am making the objective observation that it does seem to work (for a while at least). A real fear of swift and harsh retribution makes people back off. This is what swung things against all the 'paki bashing' that used to go on years ago in many areas.

To be frank, whilst I agree with your sentiment, a part of me wonders, is it at all possible to live without being harassed and perceived as being soft touches, in hostile environments without aggressive retaliation and sacrifice? Especially as it sometimes appears as if we just aren't the type of quom that can unite and put together more sophisticated, nuanced plans to deal with such matters? I don't think our new generation have the stomach or inclination for that street stuff now in any case, so there is nothing to worry about in that department. But this lack of ability to deal with our own problems does play a part in some dimwitted brothers joining and/or supporting outfits like the EDL or the BNP though.

By the way, if you are the brother that fights in the cage, you're awesome dude! lol

[Kalsingh]

Subaig Singh and Dalsingh, you are both right.

We need singhs to be confident enough in themselves to handle these attacks. They need to have the confidence (and no fear if it goes into a physical confrontation) and also the ability to handle themselves in a street fight.

A protection group would also be a good thing for when and if there is a big riot and also to show that our community is not to be messed with. However, as Subaig Singh said, if this character was in built in each and every individual singh or sikh, they'd naturally all get together when something big goes down anyway.

[VanHelsingh]

What would be the best martial art one could learn? Is Krav Maga any good or is it just hype?

I'm not looking for trouble on the streets but there's no harm in getting fit AND learning how to defend yourself. I like the look of kick-boxing but if there's any others that the sangat recommends, I'm all ears.

[BhaiSukhSingh]

What would be the best martial art one could learn? Is Krav Maga any good or is it just hype?

I'm not looking for trouble on the streets but there's no harm in getting fit AND learning how to defend yourself. I like the look of kick-boxing but if there's any others that the sangat recommends, I'm all ears.

i think any form of martial art is good, you will have the confidence and form to defend yourself and your sikhi. be it boxxing kickboxxing kali or if judo. For our sister the self defence classes r a must i think but i believe the simple for of gatka is not for the street. (It does help as it makes you self aware)

Ive said it before we should be putting our chilldren in some kind of training from the age of 5 like be for be it kickboxing kung fu knowing abit of martial art is better than knowing none

[BhaiSukhSingh]

Sikhs Fought sava lakh but at that time they knew that they are embracing death.We cannot say that Sikhs always applied that tactics.Sikhs Used Guerrilla warfare technique when their numerical strength was low which is a kind of hit and run technique.

ye ur rite but we cant even hit and run we just seem to just stand there and take it and think this is my karm

[Kalsingh]

What would be the best martial art one could learn? Is Krav Maga any good or is it just hype?

I'm not looking for trouble on the streets but there's no harm in getting fit AND learning how to defend yourself. I like the look of kick-boxing but if there's any others that the sangat recommends, I'm all ears.

Muay Thai is good. One muay thai dude was able to take out seven men by himself on the street. The attacks are devastating.

The most important thing is to concentrate on developing a knock out blow. Our brother Subaig Singh recommended looking up Geoff Thompson. This guy used to be a bouncer and knows what works on the street and what doesn't. He knows what he's on about. He emphasises a 'fence' tactic to curb the situation and if all else fails, a good 'pre-emptive' strike to the jaw to finish the situation off in a couple of seconds. Look at his dvds. They're the best thing to go for at least, if you're not going to get into a martial art.

If you're not going to get into a martial art, then at least train your muscles and develop a good solid punch (and know where to hit, this is where Geoff Thompson will teach you alot). Most of the time, this is all you will need.

[subaig singh mma]

I think that it is a myth that some races are more martial than others. I believe that all humans have two arms and legs and that anyone can learn how to fight. I feel that one problem that some Sikhs suffer from is that they think that all they need to be good fighters is anakh, warrior spirit, or aggression. Sometimes this is reflected in their language, when they specify that they want to 'die for the panth' or sacrifice themselves or become shaheed. Clearly this kind of mentality exhibits a great deal of bravery and commitment to a cause, however, this is not the mentality with which battles/fights are won. In fact, many races, that do not share the Sikhs' enthusiasm for shaheedi and warrior spirit, do much better in street fights than many Sikhs do. We as a community should not be under any illusion about our vulnerablilties. In fact, we are more likely to survive, if we recognise ourselves as vulnerable and weak and organise our strategies around that concept. I think that we put too much pressure on ourselves and try to act like we should be able to fight sava lakh, despite doing no training. .. then we get all surprised and shocked that not only can we not fight sava lakh, but we cant even fight one-on-one. Why not just accept that we are no different to anyone else and have to put just as much time and effort into self protection as any other race/community.

Regarding martial arts training, you need to be specific about your goal. Take my example, I train mixed martial arts, for the purpose of fighting in the cage and fight other guys one-on-one who have been training for the same purpose. In fact, fighting in the cage has been the culmination of about 12 years of experience in martial arts. In my case, I train for sporting purposes, and this does not necessarily translate that well to other areas such as street fighting, modern day battlefield etc. So, if you want to train for sport than recognise that you are doing that. If you want to train for the street, then the focus needs to be street martial arts. I recommend Krav Maga or other combative systems such as Urban Combatives by Lee Morrison or FAST defence. These are small curricula that are easy to learn and dont require many many years of training. Lee Morrison often states that if he cant teach you technqiues that you could go out and use effectively on the street in ten minutes, then you need to find another instructor. These kind of small combative systems were taught to soldiers in WW2 when they only had a few days training to learn how to fight hand to hand combat. One such manual of hand to hand combat can be found here: It is called Get Tough by WE Fairbairn and shows the kind of unarmed techniques that soldiers were taught before being sent to war:

http://www.tsroadmap.com/early/tough.pdf

One thing I would suggest when finding a martial art is that there needs to be an element of pressure testing in the art that you choose to persue. If you dont get to try your techniques out against a resisting opponent trying their best to stop you, then how will you make your moves work in a street fight? In that respect, thats why many sport martial artists such as boxers and wrestlers do better in street fighter because they are used to employing their techniques under pressure and against a resisting opponent.

As an anecdote, I have a friend who learns shastar vidya from Niddar Singh who got into a street fight on a bus with several white youths. Whilst he did ok, he didnt do brilliantly and didnt use any of the techniques that he had learnt in the classes. Why? Because he never had the opportunity to pressure test his skills under the influence of adrenaline and emotional anger that you feel in a street fight when you are in a proper fight. That is why FAST training where you get to employ your techniques under pressure against a fully padded opponent are so important:

If you train in sports combat, the advantage you have is that you will be used to pressure, adrenaline, fear and competition, ie fighting someone who is also trying to beat you. If you train street combatives or other martial arts then you need scenario training and full contact drill to simulate what a real fight feels like. Alot of people knock gatka and say that it has lost his martial sting. However, I bet if you put on protective equipment and used foam covered gatka sticks and went full contact, you would quickly learn what works and what doesnt and, as a direct consequence become alot more 'martial'.

[VanHelsingh]

Awesome advice Subaig Singh. A very good read.

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[Singh559]

Wow amazing information and great PDF.