National Anti-Beadbi Rally At Dudley, Uk -* Cancelled *-

[Singhstah]

I understand, you hate parties ,music and do not like subsidiarity.

Your lack of answer is all the answer I needed. It is clear that you have admitted to yourself that what you are doing is against Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Sikhi. It is clear the Sikh sangat and 'Dudely Sangat' who are pushing this agenda are part of two very different paths. Carry on with whatever you wish to do but please declare yourselves as something different from the Sikh Panth. Hadh hogayee hun Sikha noo bakhsh lo.

[Pyara]

SukhdevSinghMedare Ji

You clearly know this is not a playground scrap, this is about Gurmat. Your tactics of repeating your same post again and again is just a sign of despracy to back a weak moral agenda.

Sikh principles, morals and rehat maryada are being mocked by this Committee. This could be India or UK, they could be Hindu, Muslim, Christian and Sikh but the abuse of the Guru ghar properties is a maha beadbi, the kind of maha beadbi Baba Deep Singh, Baba Gurbaksh Singh, Nankana Sahib shaheeds gave their lives for. Fact is that it's just gone on for too long there's a 5 month history of attempted dialogue with the Committee you defend. You talk about respect for elders but fail to mention the lack of respect the Committee gave to those elders who came from all the various Midlands Gurdwaras to meet Atwal, Sandhu, Purewal, Rai, Medare (your relative) and others. You fail to talk about the insult your Committee has directed to Akal Takht Maryada which our mahan shaheeds gave their lives to uphold.

It's nothing personal but the trap GNSS Dudley Committee and members like you have fallen into is that you appear to believe running the house of Dhan Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Maharaj is about "maximising" the donations. Guru Ji already clearly tells us that influenced by the money, we become greedy, in turn, greed gives rise to corruption and selfishness. In that state not only do we ruin ourselves but we drag our community down with us too. Accordingly, Guru Ji indicates that the ones with greed cannot be trusted. Such people are compared to the mad dog with rabies. "Their madness ruins everything", states the Gurbani.

ਲੋਭ ਲਹਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ ਹਲਕੁ ਹੈ ਹਲਕਿਓ ਸਭਹਿ ਬਿਗਾਰੇ ॥:

Lobh lahari sabh suaan halak hai halkio sabhai bigaare:

The waves of greed are like mad dogs with rabies. Their madness ruins all (those whom they bite – ਵੱਢ ਵੱਢ ਕੇ)

All GurSikhs want to do is to advise your Committee to not drag their jeevans down and not drag the jeevans down of the Community they believe they "support". I understand your loyalty, but perhaps you don't understand the Sidik of the Sikh.

Sir Jave ta Jave Mera Sikhi Sidik naa jave

My head can go but my Sikhi wont go.

You can mock and ridicule people like us all you want, but we will be attending this rally in huge numbers to express our hurt at the continuous abuse the Committee show towards Sikh Maryada and the properties of the Guru Ghar. You can craft cunning loopholes seperating the hall but ultimately the truth is the truth, eventually it's going to force it's way out.

I pray you do join us all on Saturday when we unite together and recite Sri Chaupai Sahibs for our Panth's Chardi Kala.

[SukhdevSinghMedare]

Oi! Maderia Cake. Enough of your Baqwas!

Dear Khalsa Ji

You seem a good Sikh notwithstanding that you like calling people names.

Perhaps it you who should reform,

[SukhdevSinghMedare]

This is my first day on the forum I do not know Gurmat1699 Ji ,

I am not saying maximise Iam saying they know what funds are required to be generated and have to use the community hall .

In a perfect world of plentiful donation you may prescribe indoor games only !

[akjbabbar]

ANy property a gurdwara owns becomes the property of the guru. How can you justify having meat and alcohol in a building which is not owned but the committee or even the people of dudley, its the proeprty of dhan guru granth sahib ji

would you think its ok to have parties in th rooms around the parkarama at darbar sahib as they are techincally darbar dahib itself?

your argument is flawed. Just because there is no parkash of guru ji saroop in the building its property of the gurdwara.

i think some people need to stop looking at it as "our gurdwars" our community centre" take a step back look outside of the box and im sure you will see everything in a different perspective.

If guru Nanak or Guru Gobind Singh was here standing next to you you thin they would say " yeah no problems go have your meat and alcohol"

i pray that a the sangat of dudley will understand why this is not acceptable to the sikh quam.

[SukhdevSinghMedare]

Your lack of answer is all the answer I needed. It is clear that you have admitted to yourself that what you are doing is against Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Sikhi. It is clear the Sikh sangat and 'Dudely Sangat' who are pushing this agenda are part of two very different paths. Carry on with whatever you wish to do but please declare yourselves as something different from the Sikh Panth. Hadh hogayee hun Sikha noo bakhsh lo.

Did the faith come first or the panth of the pure,

Of my conscious and my body which will endure,

Am I less holy and the initiated more ,

Is truth greater or are conventions core,

If baptised souls are now priests commended,

Will the beautiful fellowship of the whole be ended

[darknight]

Just asked my cousin who lives in dudley the only madares he knows in dudley is *personal info edited* who is one of the main "stakeholders" of the sikh cultural centre..so i guess *edit* is related to him and has a interest in this matter......for all his views on income generation can he expalin why a gurdwara like edward street in west brom where i am from is smaller than the dudley one and has a community hall smaller than the dudley one and runs adequately without maas sharab......also he needs to go to sedgely street and see there centre as well.....no wonder he lives 120 miles away from dudley!!!

[SukhdevSinghMedare]

Just asked my cousin who lives in dudley the only madares he knows in dudley is * who is one of the main "stakeholders" of the sikh cultural centre..so i guess * is related to him and has a interest in this matter......for all his views on income generation can he expalin why a gurdwara like edward street in west brom where i am from is smaller than the dudley one and has a community hall smaller than the dudley one and runs adequately without maas sharab......also he needs to go to sedgely street and see there centre as well.....no wonder he lives 120 miles away from dudley!!!

I represent myself ,not anyone else, Iam not directly related to him, although I know who you refer to ,you would do well to be such a stakeholder

,I still go to donate and have done so for the past twent years,

Are you jealous of our Hall?

[darknight]

you donate to the gurdwara or the centre?????.......................ooops until recently they were the same thing until the gurdwara sold the hall for a £1 to a 5 member committee all of whom bar 1 where members of the gurdwara committee :-)....as for being jelous of "our" hall check last years accounts and see how much the parties actually made.....and compare that with "our" centre and also the facilities we have and you have and you will see its better to have a vibrant home than a massive building with nothing in it :-)

[SukhdevSinghMedare]

you donate to the gurdwara or the centre?????.......................ooops until recently they were the same thing until the gurdwara sold the hall for a £1 to a 5 member committee all of whom bar 1 where members of the gurdwara committee :-)....as for being jelous of "our" hall check last years accounts and see how much the parties actually made.....and compare that with "our" centre and also the facilities we have and you have and you will see its better to have a vibrant home than a massive building with nothing in it :-)

I do not nose into any Gurdwara accounts,I leave that to you,I do not sneakly ask my cousins who someone is,I proudly use my grandfathers family name ,who was a decorated soldier,I do not hide behind false names