Origins Of Waheguru Mantar

[Balbir Singh]

The origin of Waheguru Mantar is Bhai Gurdaas Jee, the real Guru of many preachers.

The true Gurus never suggest anybody that Waheguru is a Mantar.

Many people follow Bhai Gurdaas Jee's instruction doing Japu of Waheguru Mantar. But nobody calls him the Guru. Why?

Balbir Singh

[jhooldenishan]

I think what that vaar is trying to get at is that Vaheguru Gurmantar is combination of all the mantars that existed before in prior yugs..that is what makes Waheguru gurmantar so great.. because it is contains everything!!!Guru Nanak Dev Ji showed the true essence of God (waheguru) to the world..he took away the limitations....no mantar is greater than the waheguru gurmanter..because makes waheguru limitess..and amazing..i can try to post a katha on Waheguru Gurmantar Hai..

I hope this makes sense??

Sorry, if i said something wrong..

[mohinder pal]

Basically, through Naam Jaap of Vaheguru, Ram or Allah (whatever) is to stop your Mann from wondering around(stopping your thought process and concentrating on one sound) to awaken your aatma in your body. once that is awaken, you see your self in Brahm and see brahm in all all(Brahamgyani avastha), when that avasthha is obtained, then you can say KISHAN BISAN KABHOO NA DIYAHOO, KAAN SUNE PEHCHAN NA TINSO, LIV LAGI MORI PAGHAIN SEO. that is called brahm dristi.

Until You donot have that dristi, we all fight in between why Satguru ji on side praising Sri Krishan Bagwan or Shri Ram Baghwan and on other side telling Satguru is telling i donot worship/believe Krishan or Ram.

[kam1825]

This topic must have come up once in ever 6 months and we get the same anti gurmat stuff again and again. Please listenin to the following first

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/01_Puratan_Katha/Sant_Gurbachan_Singh_%28Bhindran_wale%29/Bhai_Gurdas_Dian_Varan/Vaar_01/Sant.Gurbachan.Singh--Vaar.01.Pauri.49.Satjug.Satgur.Vasdev.mp3

then please watch the following

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/zenphoto/Katha/Baba_Hari_Singh_%28Randhawe_wale%29/Waheguroo_Mantar/Baba.Hari.Singh.%28Randhawe.wale%29--Katha.19-08-2007--Waheguroo.Mantar--Sant.Hari.Singh.Ji.Randhawe.Walae.Part.01.mp4.php

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/zenphoto/Katha/Baba_Hari_Singh_%28Randhawe_wale%29/Waheguroo_Mantar/Baba.Hari.Singh.%28Randhawe.wale%29--Katha.19-08-2007--Waheguroo.Mantar--Sant.Hari.Singh.Ji.Randhawe.Walae.Part.02.mp4.php

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/zenphoto/Katha/Baba_Hari_Singh_%28Randhawe_wale%29/Waheguroo_Mantar/Baba.Hari.Singh.%28Randhawe.wale%29--Katha.19-08-2007--Waheguroo.Mantar--Sant.Hari.Singh.Ji.Randhawe.Walae.Part.03.mp4.php

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/zenphoto/Katha/Baba_Hari_Singh_%28Randhawe_wale%29/Baba.Hari.Singh.%28Randhawe.wale%29--Katha.04-09-2007--Waheguru.Gur.Shabad.Hai.mp4.php

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/zenphoto/Katha/Baba_Hari_Singh_%28Randhawe_wale%29/Baba.Hari.Singh.%28Randhawe.wale%29--Katha.05-09-2007--Waheguru.Gurmantar.Hai.Jap.Houmai.Khoi.mp4.php

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/zenphoto/Katha/Baba_Hari_Singh_%28Randhawe_wale%29/Baba.Hari.Singh.%28Randhawe.wale%29--Katha.06-09-2007--Tarik.Mantar.Hai.Waheguru.mp4.php

All the answers and doubts are expelled by these recordings. If there are any doubts on this thread following this post I will take it you have not have the time to listen to these or the decency to understand them

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal,

Dear all and kam1825 Jee,

Thanks for your efforts. Please let all know. Should Sikhs trust and follow true Guru's instructions or that from Baba Hari Singh Jee?

Balbir Singh

[jassa]

If V is from Vishnu does it make a difference or should it make a difference ?

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal,

Dear all and jassa Jee,

The word 'Vishnu' does not appear in Sri Guru Granth Saahib.

The chelas of Bhai Gurdaas Jee used the word 'Visnaa' and interpreted it as 'vishnu'.

Many preachers are experts in mixing True Guru's Vaaks with their own interpretation and that of beloved writers. This misleads the listener.

The true Guru's have suggested Naam to Jap and how Naam is received. Where is that wisdom (Gian)?

Balbir Singh

[satgyanpujari]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal,

Dear all and jassa Jee,

The word 'Vishnu' does not appear in Sri Guru Granth Saahib.

The chelas of Bhai Gurdaas Jee used the word 'Visnaa' and interpreted it as 'vishnu'.

Many preachers are experts in mixing True Guru's Vaaks with their own interpretation and that of beloved writers. This misleads the listener.

The true Guru's have suggested Naam to Jap and how Naam is received. Where is that wisdom (Gian)?

Balbir Singh

ਪੰਨਾ 274, ਸਤਰ 12

ਮਨੁ ਤਨੁ ਅਰਪੈ ਬਿਸਨ ਪਰੀਤਿ ॥

मनु तनु अरपै बिसन परीति ॥

Man ṯan arpai bisan parīṯ.

He dedicates his mind and body to the Love of God.

ਪੰਨਾ 342, ਸਤਰ 9

ਵਵਾ ਬਾਰ ਬਾਰ ਬਿਸਨ ਸਮ੍ਹਾਰਿ ॥

ववा बार बार बिसन सम्हारि ॥

vavā bār bār bisan samĥār.

WAWA: Time and time again, dwell upon the Lord.

ਪੰਨਾ 342, ਸਤਰ 10

ਬਿਸਨ ਸੰਮ੍ਹਾਰਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਹਾਰਿ ॥

बिसन सम्हारि न आवै हारि ॥

Bisan sammhār na āvai hār.

Dwelling upon the Lord, defeat shall not come to you.

Balbir ji, The only one expert in mixing up the Guru- Vak is you The only preacher to spread false teaching and doubt is you. You continually defame such highly regarded Gursiskhs such as Bhai Gurdas ji, and the gyani katha vachaks of the Panth, your claims are unsupported and continually provoke and confuse undiscerning sikhs. If you don't agree with the historical and spiritual truth as it is presented, you are free to start your own dera but please dont use a Sikh platform to do so.

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal,

Dear all and satgyanpujari Jee,

True Gurus have mentioned 'Bisan' and 'Bisanu' in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee. Also, Bhai Gurdas Jee has mentioned these words in his Vaaran.

True Gurus but never mentioned the word 'Visnaa'. Why?

True Gurus never limited the supreme God in any way.

Balbir Singh

[HDSH]

Check the link for more

http://kamalroopsing...6/vahiguru.html

Guru Gobind Singh writes in Sarbloh Granth sahib about Vahiguru mantra:

ਸਾਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਚਾਰੋਂ ਕਾ ਚਾਰ ॥ Saar Mantar Chaaro ka Chaar

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਨਿਰਧਾਰ ॥ Waheguru Mantar nirdhaar

ਕਲਪ ਕਲਪ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਅਖਛਰ ਕਹੀ ॥ Kalp kalp prabh akchar kahee

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਾਪਯੋ ਸਹੀ ॥ Sri gur nanak japeyoo sahee

ਨਿਜ ਆਤਮ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਤਮ ਦਰਸਯੋ ॥ Nijh atam parmatam dharasyo

ਚਾਰ ਕਲਪ ਮਹਿ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਸਰਸਯੋ ॥ Char kalp meh mantar sarshyo

ਸਾ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਖਾਲਸਹ ਦੀਨਾ ॥ Saa mantar prabh khalse dheenaਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਪਦ ਪਾਵਨ ਕੀਨਾ ॥ Waheguru padh pavan keena

The four fold yugs have four separate mantaras.

Of them all the mantar Waheguru is formed supreme.

Through Kalpas of yugs (aeons) the Primal Being uttered the word.Sri Guru Nanak contemplated upon this true (mantar).

With it one can experience the Super Soul within our Soul.

It is the union of the four separate mantars.

This mantar the Primal Being bestowed upon the Khalsa.

The word 'Waheguru' grants enlightenment.

Disclaimer: I just thought this was a bit interesting