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U cant use "sikh teachings" here but it may be against your views. This is the problem with jathebandis that my jathas views are only sikh views and they bypass every thing even akal takth sahib mareyada. The very day in amrit sanchar at akal takth sahib they say dont eat any maas then it would be against sikh mareyada. Till that day no matter how is it promoted it would be just a jathas thought. Just think about are not such comments increase the confusion among sikhs.

There are no seprate amrit sanchars only one batta is made but yes they use to ask your caste before giving amrit for two reasons they dont give amrit to chandals (those who question it must read sri sarbloh granth in which guru sahib kept chandals out they can be sikhs but not singhs) and second is as they say the first person the stand for guru sahib was a Khatri give it to khatris first as one of their forefather was the first to give his head to guru and so on and this mareyada was there 30 - 40 years ago.

Come and stay with even baba nihal singhs dal you will know. Even dushera jhatka is done at harianbela.

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No matter which jathebandi you belong if you dont progress in ur life no jathebandi can help. If you have naam simren in your pocket you dont need any jathebandi to help you out. So trackbacks to Guru sahib doesnt matter nor the jathebandis matter.

If you follow mareyada naam simren nitname seva etc you can urself track ur atma with parmatma.

Guru Sahib took a whole group of people and told them they can't take Amrit? LOL.....Also inorder to be a Sikh, you first have to become a Singh or Kaur:

pRQm rihq Xih jwn KMfy kI pwhul Cky ] soeI isMG pRDwn Avr n pwhul jo ley ]

prathham rehith yehi jaan kha(n)ddae kee paahul shhakae ||asoee si(n)gh pradhhaan avar n paahul jo leae ||

To drink the Ambrosial Nectar of the Khanda (Amrit) is the primary instruction for the Sikh. He who abandons all other initiations is truly a great Sikh.

Rehatnama Bhai Desa Singh

The english translation is off by adding Sikh in.

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With full respect to your extraordinary geyan in sikh history and sri sarbloh granth. Can you tell me who are chandals. Before you ignore rest of my post and just quote one line out of no where. Let me answer

They are people who execute prisoners as per directions of government.

Guru Arjun dev ji was made to sit on hot tava by this group of workers called Chandals

It was Chandals who used swords over Guru Tegh Bhadur and fellow sikhs

Read history of chote sahib jade u will know the role played by chandals

Then comes bhai mani singh baba banda bahadur and so on

Read the history and you will find word chandal in each sakhi of shaheedi after being captured.

As in sikhi the person work is used to describe his community and most of the time person carries on his family work hence with time chandals evolved as a tribe or caste.

This is the reason guru sahib told chandal can be a sikh but cant be singh. If you want to take amrit change you work. If belong to chandal group ie kill prisoners you will not be given amrit.

Instead of questioning here why dont people tend to ask these questions to dal panth if you hate dal panth for some personal reasons you can always find your way through sri sarbloh granth, dasam granth, suraj parkash, panth parkash, gurubilas patshahi 6 and 10.

There is no mareyada which was or being followed by nihang singh which cant be tracked in one of the above granths

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prathham rehith yehi jaan kha(n)ddae kee paahul shhakae ||asoee si(n)gh pradhhaan avar n paahul jo leae ||

To drink the Ambrosial Nectar of the Khanda (Amrit) is the primary instruction for the Sikh. He who abandons all other initiations is truly a great Sikh.

and sorry to say ur translation is all wrong. I think you didnt even tried to read the punjabi version.

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Instead of questioning here why dont people tend to ask these questions to dal panth if you hate dal panth for some personal reasons you can always find your way through sri sarbloh granth, dasam granth, suraj parkash, panth parkash, gurubilas patshahi 6 and 10.

Because they couldnt handle the truth, if their jatha leader didnt say it.

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With full respect to your extraordinary geyan in sikh history and sri sarbloh granth. Can you tell me who are chandals. Before you ignore rest of my post and just quote one line out of no where. Let me answer

They are people who execute prisoners as per directions of government.

Guru Arjun dev ji was made to sit on hot tava by this group of workers called Chandals

It was Chandals who used swords over Guru Tegh Bhadur and fellow sikhs

Read history of chote sahib jade u will know the role played by chandals

Then comes bhai mani singh baba banda bahadur and so on

Read the history and you will find word chandal in each sakhi of shaheedi after being captured.

As in sikhi the person work is used to describe his community and most of the time person carries on his family work hence with time chandals evolved as a tribe or caste.

This is the reason guru sahib told chandal can be a sikh but cant be singh. If you want to take amrit change you work. If belong to chandal group ie kill prisoners you will not be given amrit.

Instead of questioning here why dont people tend to ask these questions to dal panth if you hate dal panth for some personal reasons you can always find your way through sri sarbloh granth, dasam granth, suraj parkash, panth parkash, gurubilas patshahi 6 and 10.

There is no mareyada which was or being followed by nihang singh which cant be tracked in one of the above granths

A profession of a man does not make the whole family of the man the same. Matter of fact then no masand family should ever be able to take amrit because their forefathers were burnt alive by Satguru. Every person has their own karma to pay off and if your speaking about families who did Sikhs wrong, then don'\t look further than the Gurus family. The Gurus own sons were fighting for Gurship and doing wrong deeds to get it. This aspect of your maryada has no respect within Gurmat.

If you hate the Khalsa Panth so much then why don't you just start your own tribe, instead of writing here.

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prathham rehith yehi jaan kha(n)ddae kee paahul shhakae ||asoee si(n)gh pradhhaan avar n paahul jo leae ||

To drink the Ambrosial Nectar of the Khanda (Amrit) is the primary instruction for the Sikh. He who abandons all other initiations is truly a great Sikh.

and sorry to say ur translation is all wrong. I think you didnt even tried to read the punjabi version.

LOL....Typical to deny what the punjabi version is saying. Its the first rehat to take Amrit. First your like minded people want to separate women and say you can't take Amrit and now your on the road to separate Sikh and Singh. What is the next agenda?

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Anyone who takes amrit from punj peyare and has faith in guru granth sahib is part of khalsa panth.

You know dude what your problem is ... its "pride"

Have you looked at your own hand?

A question was asked "why" and its answer was given. No where it was mentioned that its the true mareyada or better mareyada or gurmat or something like that. Yet because of your "pride" you make this and even many other threads win or loss situation for you.

Actually you tried to justify chandal stuff by saying they did many horrible things. But then i showed you that others have done just as bad and they didn't get kicked out from taking Amrit. You attribute my so call pride to your lack of thought process. When it comes to Gurmat then the flip side is manmat. You see a win or lose situation because your going on about manmat practices. Maybe you should take a hint here.

Oh god how dare he can reply to me with some thing which is against my mind set ... let me quote one of his line ... start my post with "lol" in order to hide my "anger" ... and write totally off topic thing which has nothing to do with topic but can give me a upper hand.

How childish are you. You start one of your last post with an inslut directed at me and thats not anger? And yeah i was actually laughing at you and not mad. But hey it seems like the votes are in your favor. YOu win pal....lol. The only reason i responded on this thread is because you went off topic with the chandal stuff. If you look at your original post here. You say in the last couple of lines Back to topic. And your accusing me of going off topic and trying to get an upper hand. You're one confused individual here. Go back and read what actually happened. Also i say the same to your fans.....lol

Now go ahead quote this post start with lol and divert the topic towards wearing blue is manmatt or some thing like that i know you are capable of doing that.

You're very confused, take a look back at how you took this topic off track. There is a few of you on here who write here, expecting everyone to accept what you guys say. Take a hint this is a discussion site and when someone writes something in contrary to you. Then instead of lashing out like you did, have the decency to suck up your so called ultimate knowledge and write in a calm manner.

All these youth on here pretend to be Nihang Singhs, but you guys don't have a clue what it takes to be a Nihang. Knowledge is only useful if it is intrepreted in the correct manner. You tried your best to justify the chandal bit and you failed. Blame yourself for even trying.

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And yeah i was actually laughing at you and not mad. But hey it seems like the votes are in your favor. YOu win pal....lol. The only reason i responded on this thread is because you went off topic with the chandal stuff. If you look at your original post here. You say in the last couple of lines Back to topic. And your accusing me of going off topic and trying to get an upper hand. You're one confused individual here. Go back and read what actually happened. Also i say the same to your fans.....lol

As i told before you always make it win and loss issue for you. Green or Red anyways i request everyone to give as many greens to our friend above and this request is specially for my fans.

Today I realized for the first time people tend to make groups even on forums which is bad.

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