Jump to content

Women In Panj-Piyare?


jhooldenishan
 Share

Recommended Posts

I have had this question for a while, and I see a lot of discrimination of Bibiya in Sikhi, when it comes to some things. Such as some people feel that bibiya cannot do seva in Panj-Piyaare and also when we are taking Saroop of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj, they cannot be part of 'Panjs' because they are women. How is that fair? I thought Sikhi taught equality? How can we stop someone from doing certain seva because they are Women? Has braminmatt gotten into us? Did Waheguru make Men better than Women? if not, then how can we allow these things to happen?

Bhull Chuk Maaf.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Bibia most certainly may take part in Panj Pyare Seva. Please refer to Article XXIII b of Panthic Sikh Rehat Maryada:

'b. At the place where ambrosial baptism is to be administered, the holy Guru Granth Sahib should be installed and ceremonially opened. Also present should be six committed baptised Sikhs, one of whom should sit in attendance of the Guru Granth Sahib and the other five should be there to administer the ambrosial baptism. These six may even include Sikh women. All of them must have taken bath and washed their hair'

http://sgpc.net/rehat_maryada/section_six.html

There is no seva in Sikhi which a bibi cannot do.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I would also like to add that the western concept of equality (which the current generation is aware of) is not necessarily the same in Gurmat.

Well then its not equality is it ?

Thats like saying western concepts of the number 'three' is not the same as gurmat.

You either have equality or you don't. Our faith gave us equality but over the years we, as people, have been so influenced by the unequal practices of the Hindus and Muslims around us that we have not only moved away from equality but we've even tried to justify the inequality with gurmat.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A couple of professors and a notebook doesnt make it panthic.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJLDFMNsNUHeres the gurmat view on womens role, given by Sant Jihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI1NhqZ975o&playnext=1&list=PL7C6E53A358364B14Either hes right or you are, i know who I have my trust in.If thats still not enoughKrith Bilaas Paathshahee Dasveepaa(n)ch si(n)gh a(n)mrith jo dhaevai(n) thaa(n) ko sir dhhar shhak pun laevai ||apun mil paa(n)cho rehith jo bhaakhai thaa(n) ko man mae(n) dhrirr kar raakhai ||Offer you head and take the Amrit prepared by five Singhs. The code of conduct (Rehat), which they bless you with, should be enshrined in one's heart.Refers to 5 Singhs, not 5 Sikhs, not 5 anything else, but 5 Singhs.

If we can't stick to panthic maryada how are we part of the panth? Panthic Maryada says Bibia can be in Panj Pyare. In regards to Srimaan Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa, I will lower my head in respect countless times, however at the same time Baba Jarnail Singh Ji nor any other human is not infallible, Guru Maharaj says:

ਭੁਲਣ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਅਭੁਲੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਰਤਾਰੁ ॥

Bẖulaṇ anḏar sabẖ ko abẖul gurū karṯār.

Everyone makes mistakes; only the Guru and the Creator are infallible.

The Guru is in the roop of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj and the Panth, and neither say that bibia cannot be in Panj Pyare. We can only follow the Guru above all.

And in regards to your rehatnama quote, there are many different rehats which are universally accepted to apply to both singhs and kaurs,however only the word singh is used, but with the intent to apply to both. Khalsa Panth is known as Panth of Singhs however we know that that applies to both kaur and singh, the term 'Singh' can include Kaurs depending on the context, eg.rehatname.

Show me a man who can give Birth and ill accept your concept of equality.If Akal Purakh has made man and women different, physically, emotionally , chemically, physiologically etc.. then who are we to say man and women are the same.Notice im not implying man is superior, i am just saying man and women are different, neither is higher or lower, better or worse but different. Each has its own roles, its own purpose. Sant Ji says those who say Women should be able to are, nastik. Your notion of equality implies man=women, so when it comes to marriage if man and women are equal is man+man or women+women ok, in gurmat?

Difference does not mean inequality. Also this difference is biological, biology is not related to spirituality. This is why the updesh of Naam given by Satguru (and gursikhi as a whole) transcends all differences of class, caste, gender, etc.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share

  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • https://www.indiatimes.com/trending/human-interest/man-performs-bhangra-at-new-yorks-times-square-579154.html Man Performs Bhangra At New York's Times Square, Takes Internet By Storm 4 min read 1.5 K Shares   Basit AijazUpdated on Sep 08, 2022, 12:49 IST     A video of a Sikh man performing bhangra at Time Square has taken the internet by storm.  Hardy Singh, who is a Dubai-based bhangra dancer and teacher, is currently on a world tour delivering bhangra seminars for his company Pure Bhangra. He was recently in the US and it's safe to say he had a blast.  Taking to Instagram, he shared the video in which he was seen performing bhangra to the famous Punjabi song 'Mundian Toh Bach Ke' at Times Square as passers-by watched on.    In the caption, Hardy wrote, "Ticking of the Bucket List." He further added, "Yes, I danced in Times Square. Yes, In the middle of a road. Yes, We halted traffic. Yes, We waited an hour for the perfect shot. Yes, This was an on-the-spot choreo. Yes, It had to be Punjabi MC. Yes, I am so happy."    Since being shared, the video has garnered more than 2 lakh views and over 20,000 likes.    People were left impressed by the man's terrific performance. "Nicely done!! Loved watching it," a user commented. "And casually walked off! Smashed it bro!!!" another user said. "I really love how you spread your culture to the World, no matter who is looking at you, you just dance with love and passion," a third user added.        
    • Guest Singh
      And that was in India in a BJP ruled state. Interesting all 5 of the high caste Muslim rapist-killers had the first name of Mohammed.  So why is anyone surprised when Muslim men exploit non-Muslim women in the UK and  all over the world?
    • It is said a picture paints a thousand words.  But that is not necessarily true. There is one word that we jaap that encapsulates everything in the universe and time. Scientists look for the single theory that connects everything, this word is the single fact that connects everything together.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use