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Should 'Training' Be For A Purpose Or Aesthetics


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Firstly my bodyweight at the time of performing those lifts was 94kg. My starting bodyweight was around 70 kg. The training period to achieve those lifts was between 3 to 4 years, however I feel I could have achieved those lifts earlier if my training incorporated pyramid training as powerlifters do but I was young and all I wanted to achieve was size and strength was not on top of my lists.

I wasn't vegetarian at the time but I don't feel that hinders anyone's progress as most bodybuilders/ strength athletes use milk based protiens to feed their muscles.

My squatting was rubbish considering the hamstring muscles and quads are very large muscles. I did regular squats with bar along the traps and I went low.

My routines were standard 4 day splits where one muscle group was trained to failure once per week.

I injured myself during deadlifts because I didn't warm up well during a heavy pull so I had to rethink training.

As for someone who doesn't train suffering from muscle fatigue! The answer is your muscles are not programmed to set number of repetitions or weight numbers so mentally you don't know when to fail. I no longer believe in counting reps or calculating weights or performing reps to a set time when performing exercises because this holds you back. Your body gets used to this. Train till failure and perform maximum loads when performing isometric exercises.

I believe this works and if you've heard of Charles Bronson then you'll find he trains in similar ways due him being confined to limited space and not having access to equipment. He holds many world records. Old time Punjabi wrestlers trained in this method too and were untouchable in ther discipline. Training back to basics against immovable objects without mental blocks helped them achieve great feats.

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Old time Punjabi wrestlers trained in this method too and were untouchable in ther discipline. Training back to basics against immovable objects without mental blocks helped them achieve great feats.

The great Gamah or Gamah phelvan, greatest punjabi no I tell a lie worlds greatest wrestler (real not that fake american stuff that was invented in the 30's). Only little guy about 5'7 / 5'9 max tall but defeated people over 7 foot tall no lie, as a young naunjawan he defeated Raheem baksh Sultanwala the Indian or World champion. He even came to UK and wrestled in the 20's I think he won loads of famous belts can't remember anyways my grandads brother was here and seen him wrestle in UK my pops told me his brother said he was the champion and the English and other european wrestlers did not dare fight after seeing him in action.Even though he offered them more cash to fight him. Undefeated in his career. My grandad and lots of uncles from punjab are phelvan / phelavan fanatics. They told me loads about this guy, theres even books. Maybe not appropriate for this forum as he was a Butt, ancestors native to Kashmir and was muslim. Even though he was 100% Punjabi born in Amritsar.

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Being new to this community I recently stumbled across the Health and Fitness topics. I found that most guys especially were seeking answers to how to gain size, get toned or increase strength. I feel that most people associate strength with muscular size and weight lifting stats. This is something I used to do also until I questioned the gains you get from that type of training especially when applied to real life street combat situations. I mean that bench pressing equals strong and big chests but that also leads to a slow delivery of a punch when throwing hooks. Boxers rarely build their chests this reason. Curls enable you to build large bicep muscles but this type of strength does not help you in any life situations. The same goes for many weight training exercises because most are designed to pull or push weights at different angles but do little for real life situations of combat.

After some thought and research I questioned what exercises and training should be implemented to gain an edge in the heat of a fight in need to defend yourself.

My theory is that your exercise program should be designed around your action. For example throwing a punch requires powerfull fast movements similar to throwing a ball or chopping with an axe at a tree so why not practice these movements to build the correct muscles involved to that job. Stamping on someone requires powerfull driving of legs so why not practice this by legpressing with one leg against immovable objects to build those muslcles involved. Grappling requires immense grip strength so train those muscles by attempting to squash apples and potatos in each palm. To build overall body strength try to push against an immovable object like a wall or a tree, this involves the use of major muscle groups and smaller ones that get neglected during weight training exercises. You could also try pulling a rope tied against pole to increase your man handling power. This type of training is back to basics and serves a pupose not just something designed to increase muscular size for aesthetics. Because in all honesty bodybuilders look strong and powerfull but the low bodyfat and low water levels for tone and cuts is gained by sapping the body to show definition but a person in that state is at their weakest point. Just ask how a bodybuilder feels after a competing. Their power is only useful for lifting weights at controlled angles and do not serve any purpose in the real world. We need to be powerfull but we need to be strong for a purpose. Stamina needs to be on top our priorities, we should also be able to climb and jump. By practising these movements and feeding our bodies we can build those muscles to do that job efficiently. The best thing about this back to basics training is that you can apply it out of the gym anywhere. Incorporate press ups and bodyeight exercises such as chinups, bodyweght squats to increase natural strength without weakening the body by injuring it. Isometric exercises are also great for this type of training as they require no equipment and the resistance is again made up by natural exercises such as pushing your palms together and applying pressure or locking out your arms against a door frame. My reason for writing on this topic is because I too was into weight training but asked myself questions on how the people in the ages before modern equipment and time for long complicated training routines were able to build powerful bodies that could be efficient in combat.

I have too noticed that lot of Singhs nowadays lift weights purely for show. Partly, they think that they are igniting the martial spirit by looking big and strong, others do it for increased confidence and some do it so that they can develop a 'rep'. Many are also doing it to attract female attraction.

If you do martial arts, which u need to do to be able to fight, then weight training/strength training should supplement it and not over take it. Strength is very important when you are grappling. However, mechanical strength, ie how much you lift in the gym does not necessarily translate that well in a fight. True strength is 'grappling strength'. This means more dominance on your pull groups, ie biceps and back and your grip strength. You are constantly pulling and squeezing isometrically when you grapple, alot more than you think. You actually dont push very much in grappling.

Have you ever noticed how strong guys are who do manual work? Guys who lift heavy objects all day long? They often dont look that strong but you can feel that wiry strength when they grab a hold of you, their grip is solid. These guys feel alot stronger than guys who do bodybuilding five times a week with huge biceps and chests. Grappling strength is very similar to this, it is a kind of hidden strength, developed from doing the activity. Judo practioners and wrestlers are very strong because they wrestle all day long.

The other area that strength is required is in the context of explosiveness to throw powerful kicks, punches and explosive hips and legs if you wrestle so that you have powerful takedowns. On top of that you need anaerobic conditioning and increased lactate tolerance in your muscles.

Many of these attributes can be developed simply by attending the martial arts classes and training regularly. However, this can certainly be supplemented by twice a week in the weights room. The best resource that I have come across and used regarding developing the strength and conditioning for a fighter is Eric Wongs stuff online: http://ericwongmma.com/

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