Guru Nanak Gudwara Smethwick Major Beadbi

[AK-47]

Guru sahib did do that seva, your right. He sat in the sangats shoes and did their seva. However, that was guru sahibs choice. They made it. Not us. It is not for us to try and do the same. Would we place guru Granth sahib Ji in the middle of sangats shoes? Or use the ramaleh to wipe sangats feet? No?

Again I repeat the point I made earlier regarding benches which I believe to be the worst idea Iv heard. Here is what I think will happen. People who don't need them will use them, nobody will say get off because nobody can be bothered for an argument. (if you think you would, ask yourself when was the last time you made the sangat be quite during divan when everyone talks - very few people have the audacity to actually do these things). As more and more people use them, they will need to install more benches. Current and future generations will be even less willing to tolerate back pain and will insist on using them at an even early stage, so even more will be needed. Once this bench thing starts it won't be stopped. Eventually we'll see halls like churches full of benches. Please let me know if you think this forecast is incorrect.

Just to repeat again this isn't the compassionate vs the non compassionate, let's not get into that ridiculous state. We all have elderly parents or disabled relatives and this issue affects us all. I have two in my house who have been going Gurdwara at 3 every morning to do their seva for the last 15 years. They struggle as best they can and they'd also like facilities but not where they sit above the rest of the sangat, and this is their thoughts. So it's not as easy as people make this issue out to be.

[K Singh 82]

My local Gurdwara has a bench at the back and from my own experience, no one wants to actually sit on them. Even the people who i personally would consider acceptable to sit on them would rather struggle and sit on the floor. Everyone prefers to sit on the floor, its only those that can't even matha tekh that actually utilise them.

On a packed Sunday divan, no-one wants to be the guy that sits on the bench as people all look and in their mind question..."should he/she be even sitting on the bench".

i can only speak of my experience...no-one choses to sit on the benches...its a majbooree.

Baki, i think lowering the floor is the best compromise

[notoriousksj]

mandela needs to stop referring to himself in third person, if you really actually cared instead of trying and failing to take pictures properly, you shouldve took matters in your own hands instead of being a little girl and ranting on a forum, keyboard warrior not a warrior of the panth, need to get your s*** in order mate

[Mandela]

mandela needs to stop referring to himself in third person, if you really actually cared instead of trying and failing to take pictures properly, you shouldve took matters in your own hands instead of being a little girl and ranting on a forum, keyboard warrior not a warrior of the panth, need to get your s*** in order mate

Mandela is a coward of a man but surely you are the real deal so can you sort it out for the panth. Mandela feels you are the man.

[notoriousksj]

so trying to provoke me into a fight of some sort via private message is the answer then mandela, notoriousksj is laughing/worried by the delusion of mandela, notoriousksj apologises for any offence caused, notoriousksj shouldnt have referred to you as a little girl and implied that you didnt care but the rest stands!