Liverpool Gurdwara. What Happended Yesterday?

[Sachseeker]

I would like to ask the Satkar Sevadars again what has been the outcome of these meeting and discussions.

It would seem that not much is being done to resolve the issue.

[Satkaar]

Press Release & Sangat Update

Liverpool, 15th November 2011

Allegations of Beadbi at Liverpool Gurdwara

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

The Satkaar Campaign was recently made aware by local Sikhs of deeply disturbing allegations of Beadbi taking place at Liverpool Gurdwara. The Sevadaars sought to establish the facts of what was actually happening. After a number of conversations and a detailed email exchange with Mr HS Sohal from the Liverpool Gurdwara Committee, the Sevadaars were assured that no such Beadbi is taking place and the Committee considers that maintaining Satkaar for Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj is their primary obligation.

We then requested several times the local Sikhs who were making the allegations to provide substantive evidence of the claims they had made. They failed to do this. We have now asked them that they now liaise with the Liverpool Gurdwara Committee in a sensible and civil manner to resolve any misunderstandings that may have arisen between them.

As we are sure the Sangat will appreciate, the Satkaar Campaign does not wish to be drawn into any local "politics". Though we feel we have a moral obligation to investigate any serious allegations of Beadbi, and we will, with Guru Ji's and the Sangat's Blessings, pursue such cases where we are provided with substantive evidence, it appears disturbing that serious allegations of Beadbi are being raised for "point scoring".

As we have always mentioned, the Satkaar Campaign is a Sangat led and inspired, grass-roots Gurdwara Reform Movement. It is the duty of every Sikh worldwide to recognise their obligation to Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj and to work relentlessly to ensure that no Beadbi takes place in our Gurdwaras and to our Saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj. We must all work collectively in a united manner to meet this overriding priority.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

[Sachseeker]

So not really investigated properly?

Is it not beadbi to call the police into the guru ka darbar when the granthi is trying to address the sangat to tell them that he was threatened by the commitee?

[SinghWarrior]

Sachseeker - If there's real Beadbi going on, why don't you take responsibility to sort it out? If you have an issue with the committee, how can YOU work towards resolving it? Satkaar is everyone's duty, is it not? Why are you looking to others to step up?

You clearly seem to be in the know as to what's going on, and you have an issue - that's why you keep bumping this thread. In anycase, have you even phoned the Singhs up to give your side of the story? The number's on the bottom of the post.

[GurSa Singh]

So not really investigated properly?

Is it not beadbi to call the police into the guru ka darbar when the granthi is trying to address the sangat to tell them that he was threatened by the commitee?

The local sangat making various allegations need to step up, substantiate and agree what the issue actually is. The claims seem to keep changing and just loose any credibility. If you personally know more details, then contact the Satkaar Campaign directly. Don't expect Sikhs from around the country to blindly gather outside Liverpool Gurdwara to escalate what, at this stage, appears to be a non-issue raised by a small number of locals.

We need to know what exactly the issue is in Liverpool? And please communicate the raw "non masala" version, we've heard a barrage of allegations against this committee but no evidence and all anonymous.

[Sachseeker]

I have stood up.

The issue we have with the committe is that the Guru Granth Sahibs Parkash and Sakasan is not done every day and guru is kept "asleep for days on end.

This is partly due to the fact that the committee feel the need to change our Giani Ji every 4 weeks without notice or any reason given to the sangat. The sangat has never complained about a Giani Ji.

The daughter of the Vice President said openly that the Giani Ji did not know how to do his job. I would like to ask what is her qualification that she can comment that he does not know how to do his job.

Certain people are not allowed to enter the gurdwara as when questions have been raised they call the police and say they are trouble makers so therefore if the beadbi is going on when the committee is challanged Sangat is then excluded from the Gurdwara and not allowed to enter.

The committee has said to people of the sangat that they only turn up for Langar, I consider this to be beadbi as Guru ka Langar is exactly that who are the committee to say this to the members of the sangat.

Guru Ghar Ka Vajeer Giani Ji was threatened with physical violence is this not beadbi of our Guru.

The sangat were invited to a meeting last night at the Gurdwara when we turned up there was a padlock on the gate and the police had also arrived to attend the meeting only for it to be mysteriously cancelled for the second time. It would seem that the committee do not wish to engage in any amicable solution to the beadbi as they know that it has happened.

I would also like to say the current committe solicited the votes of Hindus to come to gain control of the Gurdwara is this not beadbi that a different religioun voted the committee in to run a Gurdwara.

Many stands have been made but the Committee uses it muscle to intimidate people and also tells the police that the sangat that complain are trouble causers.

I would love for the matter to be settled amicably as no sikh would like to see these things go on at their Gurdwara but if the committee doesnt answer to the sangat then who does it answer to.