Krishan Drinking Alcohal With Arjuna

[Harinder_Singh]

http://www.sridasam....ion=Page&p=1059

ਤਿਨ ਕੋ ਬਹੁ ਦੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਪਾਰਥ ਲੈ ਹਰਿ ਭੋਜਨ ਕੀ ਭੂਅ ਮੈ ਪਗ ਧਾਰਯੋ ॥ਪੋਸਤ ਭਾਂਗ ਅਫੀਮ ਮੰਗਾਇ ਪੀਯੋ ਮਦ ਸ਼ੋਕ ਬਿਦਾ ਕਰਿ ਡਾਰਯੋ ॥

तिन को बहु दै संगि पारथ लै हरि भोजन की भूअ मै पग धारयो ॥पोसत भांग अफीम मंगाइ पीयो मद शोक बिदा करि डारयो ॥

Giving them many presents, Krihsna went to dine alongwith Arjuna; they made use of poppy seeds, hemp and opium and drank wine; thereby they removed all their sorrows;

ਮੱਤਿ ਹੋ ਚਾਰੋ ਈ ਕੈਫਨ ਸੋ ਸੁਤ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਕੈ ਸੋ ਇਮ ਸਯਾਮ ਉਚਾਰਯੋ ॥ ਕਾਮ ਕੀਯੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਘਟਿ ਕਿਉ ਮਦਰਾ ਕੋ ਨ ਆਠਵੋ ਸਿੰਧ ਸਵਾਰਯੋ ॥੨੧੧੫॥

म्ति हो चारो ई कैफन सो सुत इंद्र कै सो इम सयाम उचारयो ॥ काम कीयो ब्रहमा घटि किउ मदरा को न आठवो सिंध सवारयो ॥२११५॥

Getting intoxicated with all these four stimulants Krishna said to Arjuna, "Brahma has done the right thing in not creating the eight ocean of wine.2115.

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

दोहरा ॥

DOHRA

ਤਬ ਪਾਰਥ ਕਰਿ ਜੋਰਿ ਕੈ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਕਹਯੋ ਸੁਨਾਇ ॥ ਜੜ ਬਾਮਨ ਇਨ ਰਸਨ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ਕਹਾ ਉਪਾਇ ॥੨੧੧੬॥

तब पारथ करि जोरि कै हरि सिउ कहयो सुनाइ ॥ जड़ बामन इन रसन को जानै कहा उपाइ ॥२११६॥

Then Arjuna said to Krishna with folded hands, "What do the senseless Brahmins know about the enjoyment of these essences and pleasures."2116.

[Balbir Singh]

Harinder_Singh Jee,

Please explain it. Why the translator has added words 'Krishna' and 'Arjuna' to Guru's Vaak here?

Balbir Singh

[sunny_love_kirtan]

Harinder_Singh Jee,

Please explain it. Why the translator has added words 'Krishna' and 'Arjuna' to Guru's Vaak here?

Balbir Singh

I am guessing

ਪਾਰਥ= Arjun ( I remembering watching mahabharata on tv and Krishan always used to call arjun "ਪਾਰਥ" ( Paarth)

ਹਰਿ, ਸਯਾਮ= Krishna

also Page 1059 comes under Krishna Avtar.

ਤਿਨ ਕੋ ਬਹੁ ਦੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਪਾਰਥ ਲੈ ਹਰਿ ਭੋਜਨ ਕੀ ਭੂਅ ਮੈ ਪਗ ਧਾਰਯੋ ॥ਪੋਸਤ ਭਾਂਗ ਅਫੀਮ ਮੰਗਾਇ ਪੀਯੋ ਮਦ ਸ਼ੋਕ ਬਿਦਾ ਕਰਿ ਡਾਰਯੋ ॥

तिन को बहु दै संगि पारथ लै हरि भोजन की भूअ मै पग धारयो ॥पोसत भांग अफीम मंगाइ पीयो मद शोक बिदा करि डारयो ॥

Giving them many presents, Krihsna went to dine alongwith Arjuna; they made use of poppy seeds, hemp and opium and drank wine; thereby they removed all their sorrows;

ਮੱਤਿ ਹੋ ਚਾਰੋ ਈ ਕੈਫਨ ਸੋ ਸੁਤ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਕੈ ਸੋ ਇਮ ਸਯਾਮ ਉਚਾਰਯੋ ॥ ਕਾਮ ਕੀਯੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਘਟਿ ਕਿਉ ਮਦਰਾ ਕੋ ਨ ਆਠਵੋ ਸਿੰਧ ਸਵਾਰਯੋ ॥੨੧੧੫॥

म्ति हो चारो ई कैफन सो सुत इंद्र कै सो इम सयाम उचारयो ॥ काम कीयो ब्रहमा घटि किउ मदरा को न आठवो सिंध सवारयो ॥२११५॥

Getting intoxicated with all these four stimulants Krishna said to Arjuna, "Brahma has done the right thing in not creating the eight ocean of wine.2115.

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

दोहरा ॥

DOHRA

ਤਬ ਪਾਰਥ ਕਰਿ ਜੋਰਿ ਕੈ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਕਹਯੋ ਸੁਨਾਇ ॥ ਜੜ ਬਾਮਨ ਇਨ ਰਸਨ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ਕਹਾ ਉਪਾਇ ॥੨੧੧੬॥

तब पारथ करि जोरि कै हरि सिउ कहयो सुनाइ ॥ जड़ बामन इन रसन को जानै कहा उपाइ ॥२११६॥

Then Arjuna said to Krishna with folded hands, "What do the senseless Brahmins know about the enjoyment of these essences and pleasures."2116.

[Balbir Singh]

Pray truth for all and say Satsriakaal,

Dear all and Sunny_love_kirtan Jee,

Thanks for your Guess. The translator was but convinced and replaced Paarath with Arjuna and Hari with Krishan.

I am eager to know if one can do Jap of Krishna when Gurdev suggests the Jap of Hari.

Moreover, Gurdev used the word Arjuna also many times.

Are translators smarter or ignorant when they replace Guru's words?

Balbir Singh

[sunny_love_kirtan]

Pray truth for all and say Satsriakaal,

Dear all and Sunny_love_kirtan Jee,

Thanks for your Guess. The translator was but convinced and replaced Paarath with Arjuna and Hari with Krishan.

I am eager to know if one can do Jap of Krishna when Gurdev suggests the Jap of Hari.

Moreover, Gurdev used the word Arjuna also many times.

Are translators smarter or ignorant when they replace Guru's words?

Balbir Singh

Arjun was the son of Pandu, the King of Hastinapur and his wife Kunti. Kunti had summoned for Lord Indra (Lord of the Devtas in the heaven) with the help of the mantra given to her by Sage Durvasa. With the conjunction of Indra and Kunti, Arjun was born. One of the names of Kunti was Prutha. That is why Arjun is also known as Parth. Arjun was third of the five Pandavas. Arjun had also excelled in using his left hand for archery. That is why he was called “Savyasachi”. Arjun took over many regions and earned lots of wealth and so came to be known as “Dhananjay”. Arjun was such a peerless archer that he is often referred to as “Jishnu” - the invincible.

Arjun is considered to be an incarnation of Nara, the younger brother of Narayan. He is sometimes referred to as the 'fourth Krishna' of the Mahabharata.

source: http://www.sagarworld.com/krishnaworld/characters/arjun.htm

Hari (Sanskrit: हरि) is an Avatar, another name of Viṣṇu and Krishna, and appears as the 650th

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hari

Me posting these sources seems like a joke to my self but do u really not know about this?

word paarth is not just used only once in the line posted above by original poster but its has been used many times in krishana avtar and it clearly refers to Arjun. You do not have to be ignorant for any reasons.

Guru Sahib ji used millions of names for akal purakh in jaap sahib. Guru sahib is free to Call Krishna whatever they want and your logic for jap of hari and jap of krishna is so childish. Then you would say jap of ram chandra when the Word Ram comes in gurbani. I am assuming that you know all these facts and you are just trying to confuse everyone with your innocent views. If you do know then for you kind information in gurbani many words which are same in reading and writing still hold different meanings.

if you again disagree with what i have said I would really love to hear the meanings of the lines from you. If you are very sure about the translator did not correctly translate the lines then you must have something to tell us which makes us think like the way you are thinking.

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal,

Dear all and Sunny_loves_kirtan Jee,

Your Giaan seems to be Internet information.

Yudhisthira, Bhima, Arjun and Karna were also born of Kunti. They all were called Paartha.

All words from enlightened Gurus are understood from the listener according to his awakened mind.

Paartha is a son of Pritha aka Kunti. All are born with the combination of earthly body and a little or a little more God's consciousness. It is only when Hari's consciousness joins the Paartha and drives his (chariot) Ratha, he is able to win the battle against Kaurava.

Each word from Gurbani is conveying God's message. Only ignorant replace Guru's words and get lost.

Balbir Singh

[GPS]

But Balbir singh ji there is no doubt that Krishna is shown as taking liquor in Krishna avtar, sometime in company of

Arjan and othertime alone with Balbhadra.King Ugarsain offers him that.

[Balbir Singh]

GPS Jee,

Please provide the original references that have convinced you.

[GPS]

ਸਵੈਯਾ ॥

सवैया ॥

SWAYYA

ਬਾਰੁਨੀ ਕੋ ਰਸ ਸੌ ਜਬ ਸੂਰ ਛਕੈ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਬਲਭਦ੍ਰ ਚਿਤਾਰਯੋ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਬ੍ਰਿਜਰਾਜ ਸਮਾਜ ਮੈ ਬਾਜ ਹਨੇ ਗਜਰਾਜ ਨ ਕੋਊ ਬਿਚਾਰਯੋ ॥

बारुनी को रस सौ जब सूर छकै सभ ही बलभद्र चितारयो ॥ स्री ब्रिजराज समाज मै बाज हने गजराज न कोऊ बिचारयो ॥

After drinking Varuni(Wine), Balram told everyone that Krishna had killed the elephants and horses;

ਸੋ ਬਿਨ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਕੀਯੋ ਛਿਨ ਮੈ ਰਿਸ ਕੈ ਜਿਹ ਬਾਨ ਸੁ ਏਕ ਪ੍ਰਹਾਰਯੋ ॥ ਬੀਰਨ ਬੀਚ ਸਰਾਹਤ ਭਯੋ ਸੁ ਹਲੀ ਜੁਧੁ ਸਯਾਮ ਇਤੋ ਰਨ ਪਾਰਯੋ ॥੧੮੯੨॥

सो बिन प्रान कीयो छिन मै रिस कै जिह बान सु एक प्रहारयो ॥ बीरन बीच सराहत भयो सु हली जुधु सयाम इतो रन पारयो ॥१८९२॥

He, who discharged one arrow on Krishna, he was made lifeless by him; in this way Balram eulogised the way of fighting of Krishna amongst the warriors.1892.

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

दोहरा ॥

DOHRA

ਸਭਾ ਬੀਚ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਸੋ ਹਲੀ ਕਹੈ ਪੁਨ ਬੈਨ ॥ ਅਤਿ ਹੀ ਮਦਰਾ ਸੌ ਛਕੇ ਅਰੁਨ ਭਏ ਜੁਗ ਨੈਨ ॥੧੮੯੩॥

सभा बीच स्री क्रिशन सो हली कहै पुन बैन ॥ अति ही मदरा सौ छके अरुन भए जुग नैन ॥१८९३॥

In that gathering, Balram, with red eyes due to the impact of liquor, said to Krishna;1893.

ਸਵੈਯਾ ॥

सवैया ॥

SWAYYA

ਦੀਬੋ ਕਛੂ ਮਯ ਪੀਬੋ ਘਨੋ ਕਹਿ ਸੂਰਨ ਸੋ ਇਹ ਬੈਨ ਸੁਨਾਯੋ ॥ ਜੂਝਬੋ ਜੂਝ ਕੈ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਤਜੈ ਜੁਝਾਇਬੋ ਛਤ੍ਰਨ ਕੋ ਬਨ ਆਯੋ ॥

दीबो कछू मय पीबो घनो कहि सूरन सो इह बैन सुनायो ॥ जूझबो जूझ कै प्रान तजै जुझाइबो छत्रन को बन आयो ॥

O warriors! Drink Varuni with pleasure and this is the duty of Kshatriyas to die while fighting;

[GPS]

Even mahabharta states that.See page 252 6th paragraph from top

http://books.google.com/books?id=UBXoGiirA6oC&pg=PA252&lpg=PA252&dq=krishna+takes+wine+per+mahabharata&source=bl&ots=Zx38a8hwvs&sig=W9EsDB7Lj4tEIUob-6G8T2f9vrg&hl=en&ei=ZvnCTuf3BaqsiQL7-YX6Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false