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Why Are Sikhs Hypocrites?


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Many Sikhs, when Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa woke them up, were also saying they are not under threat or oppressed. Or it was the case of i know i am oppressed, but can't do anything myself and im not oppressed as my neighbor, so keep living as is. The latter was more common in punjab. But when Sant ji spoke up for the oppressed, they suddenly started waking up. Many saw Sri Vaheguru ji Maharaj through Sant ji's words and like Satguru says, giddar into lions were created. No one can be compared to Sant ji, only Gurmukhs like Baba Deep Singh are seen in the same way. Bhai Baljit Singh Daduwal is no way comparable to Sant ji. The person lacking dharma will say Sant ji had a certain style and ways to use words to pull people or the circumstance was the reason. But this is not true. Sant ji never had a certain style, it was his jeevan that pulled people in. Sant ji in every way is the creation of Shabad Guru (Sant ji became one with Gurbani). The atma of a person is naturally searching for Sri Vaheguru ji Maharaj, but many ignore this infinite bliss and attach themselves to temporarily forms of "bliss". And once a person came close to the presence of Sant ji, their atma (soul) was naturally pulled toward Sant ji. Sant ji's speeches still have similar effect on people and many have become Amritdharis and taken on the Gursikhs jeevan, just from his speeches. Sant ji was loved by the Sikhs because he lives and breaths Sikhi. Every part of Sant ji wished well for all of the humans and for complete peace. Whether you were poor, rich, consider low caste, Sant ji treated you with love, respect, and heard your pains. Sant ji from his speeches has given the message to the Sikhs that everyone must become Guru ka Sikh. These instructions are no different than Gurbani and if followed, a Sikh can reach many heights spiritually and start a movement of peace and love, similar to Sant ji. Without a high jeevan, a person can say anything and people will listen, but they will forget. With Sant ji, those that listened, they never forgot and today we call them Shaheed Singhs of 1980s and 1990s.

I agree that Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale was special and Daduwal is no comparison. What you said about 'The person lacking dharma will say Sant ji had a certain style and ways to use words to pull people or the circumstance was the reason'.... I can see where you are coming from because I am a Sikh and have a little bit of dharam in me.

However objectively, a non-Sikh or someone who did not follow Jarnail Singh would see it the way that I have described it. I prefer to remain objective on alot of these matters because I think that it wouldnt not be sensible to discard the role that style, charisma and circumstances played in the rise and emergence of Jarnail Singh. After all, it played a role in the emergence of other powerful great leaders in history and in the present day, so why could they not apply to Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale?

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Am I only one disturbed by how some Sikhs have copied and pasted the arguments that Christians and Muslims spew? This has nothing to do with secularism or religion, it is simply about cause and effect.

To the OP, you will find hypocrites in any community. Some people accept everything the Akal Takht says, others pick and mix, many just dont accept anything. That's just the way it goes.

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The problem with secular view points that people present is that they completely consider spiritual wisdom (Gurbani) to be immaterial when it comes to discussing the world. It's a sad reality, but such people exist and they go to the end of the world to defend there view point. And i mostly think they put up such big of a fight because they had to go through so much trouble...years and years of school and years and years of arguing with others. Frankly, they hate it when a Gurmat point is put before them that makes a lot more sense and took a lot less time to come up with. Put yourself in their shoes, you'd be in rage because all the time you just wasted and some youth just showed you off. I feel bad for these secual fantatics.

That was exactly my original point. What if people actually TRIED the spiritual path instead of trying to cook up their own systems or ways of doing things, maybe things might be different? But it will never happen on a wide enough scale to instigate change therefore we'll never know.

Although I must say - generally - education and progress are nothing to be afraid of. They have their place in the world.

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I'm pretty certain that Satguru doesnt discourage this kind of thinking. After all, if we all agreed with your view point, we would all be living in caves, wearing nothing and throwing spears. I can appreciate that 'worldly knowledge' is of no importance to you and that it is not really your thing. I havent got a problem with that. However, attempting to stop progress by not allowing people who want to think creatively to do their thing is just downright ridiculous. Everyone has their place and role within the panth... we need parchariks, soldiers, sewadars, politicans, thinkers, doctors... we need everybody. Like I said, if you yourself prefer to just do your paath and focus inwardly on your jeevan, then I give you props. However, if you think that this is all that is required for the panth, and broadly speaking for the rest of the world to survive, then I would say that you are pretty deluded.

I have one benti from you. Please read my post again without ill intentions. I never said worldly knowledge is not important. Also if we went by your thinking we would be eating other humans and killing off all the people that were not fit to survive. Hold on a minute the US, the secular academics in the 1970s did sterilize certain humans from having kids because they were seen as potential criminals to be. If i didn't consider worldly knowledge to be important, then i wouldn't know this very interesting point! Also i never stopped you from your secular knowledge, instead i said more power to you. I provided you with a way to learn secular knowledge the Sikh way and I take it you didn't like it. So you took to your secular ways and decided to distort what i said. No problem, you proved my point. Thanks

Also Satguru doesn't say become saint or soldier. He joined the two together; Saintsoldier. Also Sikhs become doctors, politicians because of Gurmat reason not for secular academic reasons.

Give it a rest your secular knowledge is nothing without spiritual wisdom. Atleast see the wisdom in this point, it's very straight forward.

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The problem with secular view points that people present is that they completely consider spiritual wisdom (Gurbani) to be immaterial when it comes to discussing the world. It's a sad reality, but such people exist and they go to the end of the world to defend there view point. And i mostly think they put up such big of a fight because they had to go through so much trouble...years and years of school and years and years of arguing with others. Frankly, they hate it when a Gurmat point is put before them that makes a lot more sense and took a lot less time to come up with. Put yourself in their shoes, you'd be in rage because all the time you just wasted and some youth just showed you off. I feel bad for these secual fantatics.

Bro, there is plenty of space in this world for both schools of thought. If you consider the scholars to be stubborn or egotistical, are the spiritualists and/or parchariks any less? I am no scholar and I am no parcharik. However, I acknowledge the importance of both in their own respective roles. I wish that you could just see that. There is no need to fear academia or scholars, in fact it should be embraced. So should dharam. I believe in embracing everything.

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I'm pretty certain that Satguru doesnt discourage this kind of thinking. After all, if we all agreed with your view point, we would all be living in caves, wearing nothing and throwing spears. I can appreciate that 'worldly knowledge' is of no importance to you and that it is not really your thing. I havent got a problem with that. However, attempting to stop progress by not allowing people who want to think creatively to do their thing is just downright ridiculous. Everyone has their place and role within the panth... we need parchariks, soldiers, sewadars, politicans, thinkers, doctors... we need everybody. Like I said, if you yourself prefer to just do your paath and focus inwardly on your jeevan, then I give you props. However, if you think that this is all that is required for the panth, and broadly speaking for the rest of the world to survive, then I would say that you are pretty deluded.

Now would not it be better to just stick to the debate and stop being melodramatic. Where does living in the caves etc. come from?

Gurmat never preaches that. Gurmat is the light which shows us the way through life.

Guru Sahibs always encouraged us to excel in everything. They instilled confidence and

fearlessness in a morally dead and frightened population. They gave the Sikhs the courage to

fight injustice when rest of the crowd just bowed down to the atrocities of the tyrants.

This is the objectivity which you and your so called non Sikh intellectuals should be aware of.

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That was exactly my original point. What if people actually TRIED the spiritual path instead of trying to cook up their own systems or ways of doing things, maybe things might be different? But it will never happen on a wide enough scale to instigate change therefore we'll never know.

Although I must say - generally - education and progress are nothing to be afraid of. They have their place in the world.

No doubt general education is very important to learn and much can be learned from it. I'm a university student, if i was against general education...then i wouldn't pay thousands of dollars to be there in the first place.

It's just the secular individuals want to paint the people that see the world from Gurmat as ignorant, cavement, with spears. And the irony is that they are actual cavemen, with spears. Just now they have razor blades and needles....LOL

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No doubt general education is very important to learn and much can be learned from it. I'm a university student, if i was against general education...then i wouldn't pay thousands of dollars to be there in the first place.

It's just the secular individuals want to paint the people that see the world from Gurmat as ignorant, cavement, with spears. And the irony is that they are actual cavemen, with spears. Just now they have razor blades and needles....LOL

I do not think they will understand these points of Gurmat. Well we still have to keep on trying.

And in the end, we will win because truth always prevails.

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I hope there is a genuinely happy and fertile middle ground whereby both Gurmat and education (and related schools of thought) can co-exist, and most importantly, doesn't mean you've compromised Sikhi in order to progress in life.

I do err towards the dharmic - some might say "idealised" - notions of honour, integrity, duty, and religion. Its a part of me that I cannot change.

Good debate on here. Let's not make it a "them and us" situation. We are all learning something or another.

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Now would not it be better to just stick to the debate and stop being melodramatic. Where does living in the caves etc. come from?

Gurmat never preaches that. Gurmat is the light which shows us the way through life.

Guru Sahibs always encouraged us to excel in everything. They instilled confidence and

fearlessness in a morally dead and frightened population. They gave the Sikhs the courage to

fight injustice when rest of the crowd just bowed down to the atrocities of the tyrants.

This is the objectivity which you and your so called non Sikh intellectuals should be aware of.

So basically you have just continued with your flippant tone and just repeated the point that I made earlier on anyway.

'This is the objectivity which you and your so called non Sikh intellectuals should be aware of.'

The thrust of my whole argument has been about objectivity so I am well aware of it but thankyou very much anyway.

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