Dasam Granth?

[GamerSingh]

Guru Ji is not critical of inter-caste marriages. The understanding to this is that Guru Ji is telling is that all people willwaver from their religious paths to extremes, such as Brahmans residing with shudranees. They will lose all understanding of dharma.

Ok, so basically your saying that people will waver from the Hindu religion by taking part in intercaste marriages (which are against Hindu religion, im assuming), if Im wrong please explain.

Where does it say its sinful?...it says that kalki avtar will come when the tribes, races, relgions mix etc ....

I only assumed it was mentioned as being something sinful since the tuks preceding this one were talking about dharma being lost, story of sin being prevalent, etc...and all this would result in kalki coming onto the earth, I guess another explanation could be that Guru sahib was narrating the stories as the Hindus told them?

[GPS]

I suppose anti-Dasam Granth people use this as way of highlighting that how could Guru Ji complain about inter-caste relationships when Sikhi itself was formed to eradicate the caste system (amongst other equally vital objectives of course)?

They have not read Dasam Granth at all. taking one line out of contexrt

is foolishness. This is called propaganda.Do not they know that Guru sahib

has written a long mangla charan in the beginning of Chaubis avtar. That

shows Guru ji's views.

[GPS]

Ok, so basically your saying that people will waver from the Hindu religion by taking part in intercaste marriages (which are against Hindu religion, im assuming), if Im wrong please explain.

It says that society will lose its moorings and traditions and

there will be upheaval in social structure.

[chatanga]

Ok, so basically your saying that people will waver from the Hindu religion by taking part in intercaste marriages (which are against Hindu religion, im assuming), if Im wrong please explain.

Brahmans never used to let the shadow of low-castes fall on them as they would beleive they would get polluted, as per Manu Simrtis, but in Kal Yug, Guru Ji says they forget this and keep lowcastes as their wives. Basically Guru Ji is saying the people who were firm in their religious principles, will compromise them, and go in the opposite direction ie 180* turn.

I suppose anti-Dasam Granth people use this as way of highlighting that how could Guru Ji complain about inter-caste relationships when Sikhi itself was formed to eradicate the caste system (amongst other equally vital objectives of course)?

Guru Ji never fought to eradicate the caste system, but to bring all castes as equals in their journey to Waheguru. Guru's gave us the best most pristine example of spiritual and grishti living, sewa, sacrifice, gurmat sangeet, and poetry, etc, why didn't any Guru marry out of their own caste to set an example?

[VanHelsingh]

Guru Ji never fought to eradicate the caste system, but to bring all castes as equals in their journey to Waheguru...

No? Well I suppose that's why Sikhs of all castes cling onto the caste system.

I think what you've posted above is an extremely fine (as in razor-like) distinction that goes over the head of most Sikhs --- me included.

[JSinghnz]

Guru Ji never fought to eradicate the caste system, but to bring all castes as equals in their journey to Waheguru. Guru's gave us the best most pristine example of spiritual and grishti living, sewa, sacrifice, gurmat sangeet, and poetry, etc, why didn't any Guru marry out of their own caste to set an example?

This is one of the most outrageous statements ever heard. This shows the depth of shameless and stupidity by writing without thinking. If Guru ji never fought to eradicate the caste system why did He then create the Khalsa and blessed us with the last names of Singh AND kAUR. People like you are a blot to Sikhism. How dare you challenge the ways of our Gurus.

[Only five]

Guru Ji never fought to eradicate the caste system, but to bring all castes as equals in their journey to Waheguru. Guru's gave us the best most pristine example of spiritual and grishti living, sewa, sacrifice, gurmat sangeet, and poetry, etc, why didn't any Guru marry out of their own caste to set an example?

This is one of the most outrageous statements ever heard. This shows the depth of shameless and stupidity by writing without thinking. If Guru ji never fought to eradicate the caste system why did He then create the Khalsa and blessed us with the last names of Singh AND kAUR. People like you are a blot to Sikhism. How dare you challenge the ways of our Gurus.

Singh, the above post you are so critical of, has said nothing wrong. Its actually showing us how to bring change in the way Guru Sahib's showed us. What the poster shows is a positive way to lift a person spirits with seeing all people as equals. Guru Sahib did this for the world by establishing the Khalsa Panth.

[JSinghnz]

Singh, the above post you are so critical of, has said nothing wrong. Its actually showing us how to bring change in the way Guru Sahib's showed us. What the poster shows is a positive way to lift a person spirits with seeing all people as equals. Guru Sahib did this for the world by establishing the Khalsa Panth.

So do I call this selective reading. You do not see anything wrong in when a person says,"Guru Ji never fought to eradicate the caste system."

And you also do not find anything outward in "why didn't any Guru marry out of their own caste to set an example?"

You need to show respect to our Gurus.

[Only five]

So do I call this selective reading. You do not see anything wrong in when a person says,"Guru Ji never fought to eradicate the caste system."

Well when you take things out of context then it does become wrong. Keep it in context:

Guru Ji never fought to eradicate the caste system, but to bring all castes as equals in their journey to Waheguru.

The key words are to bring all castes as equals in their journey to Waheguru. When they are equal, then the person witnesses there is no difference between each caste as all four are the same.

And you also do not find anything outward in "why didn't any Guru marry out of their own caste to set an example?"

You need to show respect to our Gurus.

That is a critical question every Sikh should ask themselves. There is nothing wrong with asking questions. Casting doubt on Maharaj is disrespecting Maharaj.

[JSinghnz]

That is a critical question every Sikh should ask themselves. There is nothing wrong with asking questions. Casting doubt on Maharaj is disrespecting Maharaj.

Can you explain what you are trying to say here.

You are trying to defend the indefensible.

How can a Sikh dare to ask our Gurus" "why didn't any Guru marry out of their own caste to set an example?"