Bad News Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma

[PAL 07]

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There is a misunderstanding here. Harnam Singh Dhumma did not do ninda or anything of the Gursikhs. I think that a leaflet/advertisement was published in which Sant Samaj or Harnam Singh Dhumma used the pictures of bhai Nihal Singh Harianvela, bhai Ajit Singh Hansali wale and bhai Teja Singh (Jathedar of Rara Sahib Samprada) to promote Akali Dal Badal for the elections. However, the Samprada have took exception to this by saying they never gave anyone permission to use their pictures to support any political party.

Bhai Baljinder Singh Rara Sahib said that the Rarewale samprada has never supported a political party and its main mission is parchar. He said the publication of the leaflet was wrong. Also bhai Sarbjot Singh Bedi said the leaflet was wrong. Mokham Singh of Damdami Taksal put the blame on the Badals. The confusion lies in who created the leaflet and used the pictures of Gursikhs without their permission. Either Badal or bhai Harnam Singh.

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[S1ngh]

I sometime think that time is due now for Taksal (Uk, Canada, US) to get together and take Mehta back from Baba Dhumma. Just my personal opinion.

[chatanga]

I sometime think that time is due now for Taksal (Uk, Canada, US) to get together and take Mehta back from Baba Dhumma. Just my personal opinion.

probably an opinion kept to yourself then.

us, cnanda and uk sikhs could no more take Mehta Chowk back from Baba Harnam Singh than the sikhs from us, cnanda and uk could take back Sri Akal Takht from sgpc/badal gang.

[osingh]

There is a misunderstanding here. Harnam Singh Dhumma did not do ninda or anything of the Gursikhs.

I think that a leaflet/advertisement was published in which Sant Samaj or Harnam Singh Dhumma used the pictures of bhai Nihal Singh Harianvela, bhai Ajit Singh Hansali wale and bhai Teja Singh (Jathedar of Rara Sahib Samprada) to promote Akali Dal Badal for the elections. However, the Samprada have took exception to this by saying they never gave anyone permission to use their pictures to support any political party.

Bhai Baljinder Singh Rara Sahib said that the Rarewale samprada has never supported a political party and its main mission is parchar. He said the publication of the leaflet was wrong. Also bhai Sarbjot Singh Bedi said the leaflet was wrong.

Mokham Singh of Damdami Taksal put the blame on the Badals.

The confusion lies in who created the leaflet and used the pictures of Gursikhs without their permission. Either Badal or bhai Harnam Singh.

If someone has the video of the news please post it was on 'Day and Night News'.

Regardless Sant Samaj should never have joined with Badal. It would be great if bhai Harnam Singh and Sant Samaj break ties with Badals and other political parties.

Why don't Simranjit Singh Maan, Sant Samaj, AKJ and other Samprada unite? We need a party to counter both Congress and Akali Dal. If only our panthic Jathebandis could unite.

We will never get Khalistan or justice by uniting with Congress or Badal. We need a new party. Maybe this can be set up with help from Sikh Sangat from UK, Canada, US and European countries.

Satguru Mehar Karan

[punjab5]

Sikhs in the UK have tried in the past to get Mann Sahib, Bittu, Jasbir Singh Rode and others to work together, but to no avail. The Khalsa Action Committee was foremd of all the panthic jathebandis and backing of Sant Samaj, but Badal feeling threathned use his politics to split it, with Sant Samaj and Jasbir Rode along with Sant Bhrindwale's family leaving to support Badal.

Rode has set up his own party the International Panthic Dal, beacuse he wanted UK Sikhs to accept him as their only leader as l ahve ben told, please corect if l am wrong.

We can only keep trying.

[PAL 07]

Rode has set up his own party the International Panthic Dal, beacuse he wanted UK Sikhs to accept him as their only leader as l ahve ben told, please corect if l am wrong.

you are correct Rode betrayes the Panth and has united with Badal

[Jonny101]

Panthic Jathabandis, Sant Samaj, Simranjit Singh Maan should all unite. They should atleast unite to take back the SGPC from Badal, that is what our immediate focus should be not Punjab elections. But in this unity Dal Khalsa and other Kala Afghani agencies should not be included. Sant Samaj made the biggest mistake by supporting Badal instead of like minded Gursikhs who want betterment of the Panth. This has only given fuel to anti Sant outfits like the missionaries who further say all sorts of bad things about Sants.

Instead of focusing on politics, in all honesty all Panthic groups should only focus on doing parchar right now. We are in a demographic decline. 95% of our youth is Patit. What use is getting into politics if we do not have Saabat soorat Khalsa remaining in Punjab? Just imagine the potential of Parchar right now. If Radhasoamis, Sacha Sauda can do parchar to millions why can't we? Punjab Haryana and Himachal should be full of Sikhs if only Sikhs do parchar instead of fighting about politics. Screw politics. We need parchar. Because only with demographic power can we have political power. Does it make sense having dreams of ruling the world yet not even being 2% of the population of India?

[GPS]

when i was watching the news they showed a picture of the news article and it showed also picture of baba nihal singh hariavela who are very close to my wifes family. apparently he has said they these people are bad for the Sikh Panth and that they are fakes something like. Mokham Singh spokesman for DDT put all the blame on Sukhbir Badal

Mohkam singh is no more in damdami taksal.He is aligned with Dal khalsa and is a supporter of Paramjit sarna.

Bhai Ranjit singh was a supporter of Tohra and was removed by Badal as jathedar. He along sarbjot singh Bedi

is a sworn enemy of Badal .Traditionally Baba bedi is always side with congress.

Mohkam singh's role had been very negative when darshan ragi made blasphemic comments about Guru sahib.

He also attended world sikh convention of sarna at delhi.

Daljit bittu faction has declared support for congress as they are friends of sarna. Their support for dhundha

here in canada and usa is well known.

[chatanga]

Rode has set up his own party the International Panthic Dal, beacuse he wanted UK Sikhs to accept him as their only leader as l ahve ben told, please corect if l am wrong.

Not quite, the ISYF was set up by him, but when it was banned it morphed into the Sikh Federation (UK), which calimed to have Rode in the same capacity as in the ISYF, but when it transpired this was not true, the people who disagreed with this act by the Sikh Federation UK split to form the IPD, which recognises Rode as the patron of the organisation.

SF(UK) is still doing a tremendous job though.

you are correct Rode betrayes the Panth and has united with Badal

How? by uniting with Badal or has he already betrayed the panth?

[DDAVIDALE]

What I'm gleaning from this is that sikhs/people in the western world need to unite quickly in my opinion.

Of course india is loosing alot of its sikhi but you can't blame the youth for that in india-there's no education, successive indian governments have deliberately taken sikh youth off the street in fake encounters, no money provided by the SGPC to eduacte our masses, politicians stirring it up by making radhaswami/other controversial dera flower like an atom bomb-there everywhere!!

And to put a spanner in the works the only thing sikhs in the west (UK, CAN,USA) wanna to do is create wealth, maya has got to their heads and i'm one of those. Instead of living for the panth we now live in a world of continual denial towards our beautiful religion-which is perfect in every way.

This is one big swing and nothing ever gets done about it