Sikh Girls Targeted - Intelligent And Well Evidenced Slideshow

[Only five]

Ek Nari means one woman. Eka Nari does not.

This is copy and pasted from Gurmatbibek.com, it's written by Kulbir Singh ji:

http://gurmatbibek.c...ead.php?3,20323

ਏਕਾ ਨਾਰੀ ਜਤੀ ਹੋਇ ਪਰ ਨਾਰੀ ਧੀ ਭੈਣ ਵਖਾਣੈ।

The above Pankiti is quoted to prove that Gursikhs should have a monogamous relationship i.e. one spouse and rightfully too but some people argue that if this had been the case, then there would have been ਏਕ instead of ਏਕਾ. To dispel this misunderstanding here are Pankitis from Gurbani that prove that the word ਏਕਾ means one:

ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥

ਸਭ ਏਕਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ॥

ਏਕਾ ਟੇਕ ਮੇਰੈ ਮਨਿ ਚੀਤ ॥ ਜਿਸੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰਣਾ ਸੁ ਹਮਰਾ ਮੀਤ ॥1॥

The above leaves no doubt as to the fact that ਏਕਾ is singular.

Kulbir Singh

[chatanga]

How does it not mean one woman? Why don't you tell us what you think it means? Gurbani quotes have been provided which show that the word 'Eka' is used to mean exactly the same thing as 'Ek'.

This is copy and pasted from Gurmatbibek.com, it's written by Kulbir Singh ji:

http://gurmatbibek.c...ead.php?3,20323

ਏਕਾ ਨਾਰੀ ਜਤੀ ਹੋਇ ਪਰ ਨਾਰੀ ਧੀ ਭੈਣ ਵਖਾਣੈ।

The above Pankiti is quoted to prove that Gursikhs should have a monogamous relationship i.e. one spouse and rightfully too but some people argue that if this had been the case, then there would have been ਏਕ instead of ਏਕਾ. To dispel this misunderstanding here are Pankitis from Gurbani that prove that the word ਏਕਾ means one:

ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥

ਸਭ ਏਕਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ॥

ਏਕਾ ਟੇਕ ਮੇਰੈ ਮਨਿ ਚੀਤ ॥ ਜਿਸੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰਣਾ ਸੁ ਹਮਰਾ ਮੀਤ ॥1॥

The above leaves no doubt as to the fact that ਏਕਾ is singular.

Kulbir Singh

The difference between "EK" and "EKA" is that EK refers to one as in number, but EKA is refering to one who, or one who has etc. In english translation the meaning is lost where sometimes just one is entered, and sometimes where "the one" or "the one who" or "the one that" etc.

ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥

The One Divine Mother who HAS given birth (or gave) to the universe and the 3 deities.

the example given above by Bhaji Singhstah :

ਸਭ ਏਕਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ॥

The One Light is all-pervading; only a few know this.

The line :

ਏਕਾ - One who is

ਨਾਰੀ - own woman

ਜਤੀ steadfast (although people generally refer to Jatti as being celibate, but this is not always the case, out of the 6 jattis, at least 1 was married, jatti actually means one who has his senses under control)

ਹੋਇ is

ਪਰ ਨਾਰੀ another woman

ਧੀ ਭੈਣ ਵਖਾਣੈ। recognise as daughter or sister.

Bhai Gurdas talks about the character of the Sikh saying :

The one who is steadfast in his woman, recognising others as his daughter or sister.

The Eka in being singular is not meaning the woman, but the Man who is the center of this line, and nor is Bhai Gurdas Ji or Gurbani anywhere saying that multiple marriages are against Waheguru's hukam.

[AK-47]

Don't about anyone else, but my biological mother and father are married and my spiritual mother and father are married as well.

How sad that our own Sikhs are calling the Khalsa a child born outside of marriage and that our mother mata sahib Kaur was 'kept' by guru sahib at anandpur sahib. Sometimes these so called historians and authors put pen to paper without thinking first, sharam da kata.

[Singhstah]

The difference between "EK" and "EKA" is that EK refers to one as in number, but EKA is refering to one who, or one who has etc. In english translation the meaning is lost where sometimes just one is entered, and sometimes where "the one" or "the one who" or "the one that" etc.

ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥

The One Divine Mother who HAS given birth (or gave) to the universe and the 3 deities.

the example given above by Bhaji Singhstah :

ਸਭ ਏਕਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ॥

The One Light is all-pervading; only a few know this.

The line :

ਏਕਾ - One who is

ਨਾਰੀ - own woman

ਜਤੀ steadfast (although people generally refer to Jatti as being celibate, but this is not always the case, out of the 6 jattis, at least 1 was married, jatti actually means one who has his senses under control)

ਹੋਇ is

ਪਰ ਨਾਰੀ another woman

ਧੀ ਭੈਣ ਵਖਾਣੈ। recognise as daughter or sister.

Bhai Gurdas talks about the character of the Sikh saying :

The one who is steadfast in his woman, recognising others as his daughter or sister.

The Eka in being singular is not meaning the woman, but the Man who is the center of this line, and nor is Bhai Gurdas Ji or Gurbani anywhere saying that multiple marriages are against Waheguru's hukam.

Simply because I lack the relevent knowledge of gurbani grammar, I referred the question to bhai kulbir singh who has given the below reply, which makes total sense:

"The first point is that the word ਏਕਾ is an adjective (perhaps Sankhavachak Visheshan or Sankhayak Visheshan) and is always used with a singular noun in feminine gender.

In the examples quoted in the first post, this word has been used only with singular nouns of feminine gender - ਮਾਈ, ਜੋਤਿ, and ਟੇਕ. Since this word is used only with singular feminine nouns, we can deduce that in the Pankiti from Bhai Gurdaas jee's Vaar, this word is connected to ਨਾਰੀ and not to the husband.

The meaning is clear - Gursikh is the Jatee of ਏਕਾ ਨਾਰੀ i.e. his own one woman and he considers all other women as his daughters and sisters.

Logically thinking, why would a Jatee Gursikh get married to multiple women and have a harem? Can a person who has more than one wife, be classified as a Jatee?

Chatanga:

The Eka in being singular is not meaning the woman, but the Man who is the center of this line,

As mentioned before in this post, the word ਏਕਾ is with ਨਾਰੀ and not man because everywhere in Gurbani, this word only comes with singular feminine gender noun.

Lastly, we must remember that this Pauri of Bhai Gurdaas jee is for Gursikhs and defines the characteristics of a Gursikh.

Kulbir Singh"

[Only five]

The difference between "EK" and "EKA" is that EK refers to one as in number, but EKA is refering to one who, or one who has etc. In english translation the meaning is lost where sometimes just one is entered, and sometimes where "the one" or "the one who" or "the one that" etc.

ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥

The One Divine Mother who HAS given birth (or gave) to the universe and the 3 deities.

the example given above by Bhaji Singhstah :

ਸਭ ਏਕਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ॥

The One Light is all-pervading; only a few know this.

The line :

ਏਕਾ - One who is

ਨਾਰੀ - own woman

ਜਤੀ steadfast (although people generally refer to Jatti as being celibate, but this is not always the case, out of the 6 jattis, at least 1 was married, jatti actually means one who has his senses under control)

ਹੋਇ is

ਪਰ ਨਾਰੀ another woman

ਧੀ ਭੈਣ ਵਖਾਣੈ। recognise as daughter or sister.

Bhai Gurdas talks about the character of the Sikh saying :

The one who is steadfast in his woman, recognising others as his daughter or sister.

The Eka in being singular is not meaning the woman, but the Man who is the center of this line, and nor is Bhai Gurdas Ji or Gurbani anywhere saying that multiple marriages are against Waheguru's hukam.

Bhai Gurdas ji is telling a husband (once a man is married Bhai Gurdas ji is telling him how to conduct himself regarding true celibacy) not a male how to be truly celibate in this line. Taking the historical context away from this line will distort the line. In these times males were marrying many women when they were already married to another and it was not just a Muslim thing, Hindus were also doing it and it was not a rare thing. So to such conduct Bhai Gurdas ji is telling the husband how to act. The ਏਕਾ is refering to the female and ਨਾਰੀ can't be translated as woman, when we keep the whole line in context.

Say for a second we translate ਨਾਰੀ into woman like you have forgetting rest of the context of the line, then a person can come along and say i can have a girlfriend who i can stay steadfast with. So by translating ਨਾਰੀ into woman, then it is being said Bhai Gurdas ji supports the idea of having a girlfriend. But Bhai Gurdas ji never supports such ideas and Gurmat doesn’t either. The proper understanding and translation of word (when it comes the first time) ਨਾਰੀ is wife, keeping everything in context. Gurmat does not allow a man and woman to be together in physical relations before marriage, so how can it be his woman? Another point that needs to be made about your translation is that ਨਾਰੀ is not plural.

Now to your ਏਕਾ references from Gurbani. If you look at how you tried to prove your point that the ਏਕਾ is referring to the male it is inconsistent with the other Gurbani references you gave. Because in the Gurbani references it still refers to the same thing whether it is understood as The One, or The one.....who gave. The word “the” is put in front to stress the next word “one”. Even if you take the word “the” out of the translations, then it still makes since, but doesn’t stress the next word, which is central to the line. This rule in English can’t be automatically applied to a different line which a person is translating from a different language. The context of the line you are translating from a different language first need to be understood before it can be translated into English. Which brings us back to the word ਨਾਰੀ. Keeping everything in context, the word ਨਾਰੀ is correctly translated as wife. So it translate into:

The husband with one wife is chaste and sees other women as his daughters or sisters.

Take of the word “the” from the above translations and the translation still tells the same thing, without distorting the translation or the original languages message. In order to use a rule, first it has to pass the test of context and then consistency. Which your understanding doesn't do.

[Only five]

The Eka in being singular is not meaning the woman, but the Man who is the center of this line, and nor is Bhai Gurdas Ji or Gurbani anywhere saying that multiple marriages are against Waheguru's hukam.

But the amusing part about this discussion is the part in bold. Look what Maharaj has to say before the line we are discussing and directly answers the bolded part.

idb idsit prgwsu kir lok vyd gur igAwnu pCwxY]

dhib dhisatt paragaas kar lok vaedh gur giaan pashhaanai||

Getting enlightened, one identifies the teachings of the Guru even in the secular affairs.

[chatanga]

"The first point is that the word ਏਕਾ is an adjective (perhaps Sankhavachak Visheshan or Sankhayak Visheshan) and is always used with a singular noun in feminine gender.

In the examples quoted in the first post, this word has been used only with singular nouns of feminine gender - ਮਾਈ, ਜੋਤਿ, and ਟੇਕ. Since this word is used only with singular feminine nouns, we can deduce that in the Pankiti from Bhai Gurdaas jee's Vaar, this word is connected to ਨਾਰੀ and not to the husband.

ਏਕੇ ਕਉ ਸਚੁ ਏਕਾ ਜਾਣੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਦੂਜਾ ਦੂਰਿ ਕੀਆ ॥

He knows the True Lord as the One and only; he sends his egotism and duality far away.

ਸਗਲ ਭਵਣ ਕੀ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਏਕਾ ਮੁਖਿ ਤੇਰੈ ਟਕਸਾਲਾ ॥੧॥

Yours is the one and only form of the entire universe; Your mouth is the mint to fashion all. ||1||

are these feminine or masculine use?

Gurbani grammar differentiates between masculine/feminine gender nouns by the presence or absence of SIHARI, BIHARI on these nouns.

Say for a second we translate ਨਾਰੀ into woman like you have forgetting rest of the context of the line, then a person can come along and say i can have a girlfriend who i can stay steadfast with. Another point that needs to be made about your translation is that ਨਾਰੀ is not plural.

True, Nari is singular, but the word Nari does not mean wife, but woman. Nar means Man. If we say Nari means wife then should we be saying Nar is husband, and Nar-Singh is husband-Lion? But we both know what Bhai Gurdas is refering to here.

the EKA, as you beleive refers to the woman, i stand by my original point, that the EKA is refering to the man, as none of the Gurus or Gursikhs, could have gone against Gurbani,or Bhai Gurdas' varan. Bhai Gurdas Ji knew when to use "EK" "EKA" or "EKO".

They mean different things and give different meanings to sentences. But then again you can always say "you have missed the point".

[vjkaram]

"ਏਕੇ ਕਉ ਸਚੁ ਏਕਾ ਜਾਣੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਦੂਜਾ ਦੂਰਿ ਕੀਆ ॥

He knows the True Lord as the One and only; he sends his egotism and duality far away.

ਸਗਲ ਭਵਣ ਕੀ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਏਕਾ ਮੁਖਿ ਤੇਰੈ ਟਕਸਾਲਾ ॥੧॥

Yours is the one and only form of the entire universe; Your mouth is the mint to fashion all. ||1||

are these feminine or masculine use?"

in second verse, ਏਕਾ is feminine because ਮੂਰਤਿ is feminine and ਏਕਾ is related with it.

in first case, ਏਕਾ is not used as an adjective and not used with any noun. its not an adjective of any noun - masculine or feminine. this verse is not relevant in this debate.

[chatanga]

so is ਮੂਰਤਿ as part of Akal Moorat feminine?

[vjkaram]

"so is ਮੂਰਤਿ as part of Akal Moorat feminine?"

yes. ਮੂਰਤਿ is feminine. ask anyone who speaks any north indian language as mother tongue. akal moorat means akal di moorat not akal da moorat.