Degh/ Sukha

[Only five]

Sikhs are the biggest slaves right now in Punjab and all of India. Those that are doing Jhatka, doesn't matter what they call themselves, what are they doing to curve this slavery? Rest of the Panth are civilians, so we are unable to do Jhatka and don't have that warrior spirit in us. Surely the one's doing Jhatka must have that warrior spirit in them, so why not be the Akali Satguru told them to be and go out and defend the hopeless civilians that are in need? Sant Baba Nihal Singh ji showed the whole Panth what it means to do Jhatka, but where are the rest that wear blue, train in arms, do Jhatka, eat Jhatka, and take Shaheedi Degh?

Keeping history alive is a great thing and the Khalsa Panth is in debt to those that keep it alive, but the same people have not acted on this history, which is to give them the warrior spirit for decades now. A very few only have showed this warrior spirit. The whole purpose of the warrior rehat is to use it when it is needed. Either say the warrior spirit wasn't needed for all these decades or come to reality and realize something else is going on here and we as a Panth are turning a blind eye to it because we don't want to face the truth.

[Singh559]

Sikhs are the biggest slaves right now in Punjab and all of India. Those that are doing Jhatka, doesn't matter what they call themselves, what are they doing to curve this slavery? Rest of the Panth are civilians, so we are unable to do Jhatka and don't have that warrior spirit in us. Surely the one's doing Jhatka must have that warrior spirit in them, so why not be the Akali Satguru told them to be and go out and defend the hopeless civilians that are in need? Sant Baba Nihal Singh ji showed the whole Panth what it means to do Jhatka, but where are the rest that wear blue, train in arms, do Jhatka, eat Jhatka, and take Shaheedi Degh?

Keeping history alive is a great thing and the Khalsa Panth is in debt to those that keep it alive, but the same people have not acted on this history, which is to give them the warrior spirit for decades now. A very few only have showed this warrior spirit. The whole purpose of the warrior rehat is to use it when it is needed. Either say the warrior spirit wasn't needed for all these decades or come to reality and realize something else is going on here and we as a Panth are turning a blind eye to it because we don't want to face the truth.

100% agreed, full heatedly believe this to be true. Doing these things just because Singhs of old did it doesn't mean you do it without understanding why they did it. Doing it without acting is mere ritualism, something Sikhs are fighting a struggle with now more than ever.

Still, any intoxicants are against Sikhi and stear someone away from the path of spirituality. Taking it for medicine is a different thing, weed isn't any degh.

[S1ngh]

Absolute pathetic post by someone who has no faith in the abilities of Khalsa warfare or the Martyrdom of the forefathers of our faith.

To justify taking intoxicants to give one the confidence to face sure death takes away the shine off the sacrifices and pain endured by those great souls that laid down their lives for the Sikh faith. Bhai Mati Das Ji, Bhai Sati Das Ji, Bhai Taru Singh Ji, Baba Deep Singh Singh Ji, Baba Banda Singh Bahadur Ji, Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale Ji and countless Shaheeds from modern and past era never used any intoxicant potions to attain martyrdom.

Also to clarify "Bhang is Marjuana"!

The base ingredient is not Tobacco or Alcohol it is simply Marujuana which is crushed into a paste and mixed into a Milk drink with nuts.

Tobacco is especially frowned upon in Sikhism because it causes harm and contaminates its surroundings which is why it is called 'Jagat Jooth' in Sikhism.

Bhang falls into the categories of Alcohol and Drugs that affect the mind. All of these have been forbidden in Sikhism. So making exemptions for it's use for the battlefield and giving it a new name does not take away the fact of it still being a intoxicant.

No Singh or shaheed needs or relied on Bhang to face their enemy on the battlefield. The only thing those great souls were intoxicated with was the name of the Guru, Their Belief in Bani!

Use your brain and ask your soul for these answers and I'm sure no one can believe that the Guru needed chemicals to trick the mind of his Singhs to convince them of being able to face their enemy. We are way to strong to rely on any form of intoxicants!

Balwant Singh Rajoana is facing his enemy today and he is no way or form relying on Shaheedi Degh/Bhang. He is intoxicated on Naam Simran!

Perfect reply on this subject ^^^

[gurudashere]

Sikhs are the biggest slaves right now in Punjab and all of India. Those that are doing Jhatka, doesn't matter what they call themselves, what are they doing to curve this slavery? Rest of the Panth are civilians, so we are unable to do Jhatka and don't have that warrior spirit in us. Surely the one's doing Jhatka must have that warrior spirit in them, so why not be the Akali Satguru told them to be and go out and defend the hopeless civilians that are in need? Sant Baba Nihal Singh ji showed the whole Panth what it means to do Jhatka, but where are the rest that wear blue, train in arms, do Jhatka, eat Jhatka, and take Shaheedi Degh?

Keeping history alive is a great thing and the Khalsa Panth is in debt to those that keep it alive, but the same people have not acted on this history, which is to give them the warrior spirit for decades now. A very few only have showed this warrior spirit. The whole purpose of the warrior rehat is to use it when it is needed. Either say the warrior spirit wasn't needed for all these decades or come to reality and realize something else is going on here and we as a Panth are turning a blind eye to it because we don't want to face the truth.

So now Sikh are being treated badly in panjab you want Nihang Singhs to do something? Maybe the 'Panth' should have thought about that before they allowed the british and the britsh created SGPC to remove them as custodians of Akal Takht and as leaders of the Panth in 1921, you reap what you sow. The british had a shoot on sight policy for any Nihang Singh that was seen in panjab, and asked those people to come forward to take over the takhts that were willing to go againt the Nihangs, out of this was born the true sell out sakari dog the SGPC! With a bounty on thier heads and thier own people turning thier back on them the Nihangs either went back into the jungles, were put in jail or were in exile and went to Hazoor Sahib. Look at what has happened to sikhi in punjab under the rule of SGPC. Naujavan are not into sikhi, majority cut thier kes, take drugs/alcohol etc. Compare that to Hazoor Sahib were Nihangs are incharge. No one from a sikh family, whether amritdhari or not cuts thier kes. No one dares smoke tobacco within a 5 mile radius of Sachkand Hazoor sahib incase they are seen by a Nihang as they know a beating will be the least they get! A few years back muslims from a local nagar roughed up a sikh naujavan, he didnt go home and tell his parents or go and tell the police, instead he went straight to the Nihang Singhs at Hazoor Sahib. They heard what happened and about 10 of them instanly made thier way to the muslim dominated nagar and gave a beating to any muslim male they got thier hands on as a warning against troubling sikhs again in the future, compare that to SGPC panjab! You think real Nihangs have it easy in panjab? the real Jathedar of Budda Dal, Baba Surjit Singh Ji is in jail thanks to the SGPC and thier attempts to pass of one of thier own puppets as the real jathedar of Budda Dal! Someone mentioned Bhai Balwant Singh Rajoana. hes actually in the same jail as Budda Dal jathedar Baba Surjit singh! below is a picture of the two of them togther after bhai Balwant Singh recieved amrit!

[gurudashere]

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[chatanga]

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[gurudashere]

Jathedar Akali Baba Surjit Singh Nihang, Budda Dal 96 crore with Bhai Balwant Singh Rajoana after Bhai Balwant Singh had recieved khande bhatte de pahul

[JSinghnz]

The only pathetic post on here is yours! Luckily Nihang Singhs are made of stern stuff and our belief, maryada, intellect and faith in 'actual' recorded historical facts about our shaheeds and our Guru's is not easily swayed by speeches designed for the pappus and pinkys of the panth!

You have all the modern luxuries of a modern life yet I wonder how 'intoxicated' your are with naam and bani, yet you deny that Shaheeds who lived in jungles may have been blessed by mahraj with a medicine that would put at ease thier physical pains/injuries! Next time you reach for the painkillers or run off to your doctor remember what you wrote above! Bani is the ultimate supplement and source of strenght for our athma, and I have no doubt that it is also perfect for our mind and body but that doesnt mean when I get hungry I dont eat and just recite bani instead!

Read the excellent post put up by 'caveman', it is From 'Pracchin Panth Prakash' by Rattan Singh Bhangu and it is clearly stated that Baba Gurbax Singh and others consumed Shaheedi Degh as preparation for battle but also as part of thier rehat! Aslo listen to the katha by Baba Nihal Singh posted above.

I know your response will be that Rattan Singh Bhangu must have been a druggy thats why he wrote that, he was the grandson of Mehtab Singh, the same Mehtab Singh who along with Sukha Singh beheaded Massar Rangar, I'm sure he knows what he's talking about as does 'Jinda Shaheed' Baba Nihaal Singh!

As for the Katha by Baba Gurbachan Singh, listen carefully to whom bhagat Kabeer Ji is referring to! Baba Gurbachan Singh took amrit and grew up in Budda Dal and no doubt knew the difference between 'bhang' and 'shaheedi degh'! NO taksaal jathedar has ever said shaheedi degh or even jhatka are wrong practices, on contrary they say that these are specific aspects of Akali Nihang Singh maryada that only the Nihangs Singhs have ageya to carry out and that the rest of the panth should avoid these as it is forbidden for them as it serves no purpose in thier way of life! Go to India and actually live with, talk to and learn from Nihangs and Guru Ji's Taksaal's, then you will realise the deep level of love and respect between the 2 and acceptance of eachothers practices, akaaal.

Keep your pathetic views to yourself. TigerForce1 has made it very clear true Sikhs don't need drugs to go to the battlefield.

Only pappus and pinkys like you need them to stay in dream world.

[chatanga]

Jathedar Akali Baba Surjit Singh Nihang, Budda Dal 96 crore with Bhai Balwant Singh Rajoana after Bhai Balwant Singh had recieved khande bhatte de pahul

Panth Patshah looks a bit fragile in that pic, or is it just me?

[gurudashere]

Keep your pathetic views to yourself. TigerForce1 has made it very clear true Sikhs don't need drugs to go to the battlefield.

Only pappus and pinkys like you need them to stay in dream world.

I never said Sikhs needed drugs to go to the battlefield, Rattan Singh Bhangu wrote it in Panth Prakash Granth! but I suppose to you his veiws are 'pathetic' aswell?! I suppose the views of 'jinda shaheed' Baba Nihal Singh are also pathetic in your eyes?! Countless other evidential proofs from puratan granths written by well respected and accepted Gursikhs must also be 'pathetic'! But your views MUST be right because they are yours or your jathas? Intellect levels within the kaum really are a disgrace