Jump to content

Shere Panjab,uk - The 'independent' Newspaper - June 24 1989


Britjabi
 Share

Recommended Posts

Further to my last forum post showing a clip of an interview with 'Shere Panjab' in 1988 - I have also come across an article from the Independent in 1989 - covering a trial where some Sikhs from Shere Panjab were in court after being arrested for confronting Pakistani-Muslim Sex gangs :

The Independent

June 24 1989, Saturday

Sikh girls 'used as sex slaves'

GANGS OF Muslim men toured daytime discotheques kidnapping Sikh girls to use as sex slaves, a court was told yesterday.

The jury at the trial of 13 Sikh men at Birmingham Crown Court heard claims that one gang forced girls into prostitution and blackmailed their parents.

The Sikhs were said to be members of the Shere Punjab, a vigilante gang, who were arrested - armed with sticks and bottles - while on their way to confront the rival Muslim gang, the Aston Panthers, in Handsworth, Birmingham, last June.

Gurmek Singh Chahal, 20, told the court the Panthers used Indian girls for sex and prostitution. 'The Shere Punjab was formed to stop the intimidation of our society by the Muslim society.'

Chahal and two other men were each given a two-year conditional discharge for using threatening behaviour. Similar sentences had earlier been passed on eight others who had pleaded guilty. Another two were cleared.

This article was taken from a webpage from the following link :

http://gangsinlondon...nthers-mbp.html

The Independent

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Do you rember when sp brought "Gurdian Angles" over from usa in to Handsworth was only for a bit though.

I heard about it when the leader with the red beret (forgot his name) - mentioned it during an interview.

I urge all those who are close to the original Shere Panjab to ask them to come onto this forum so that they can give much needed advice from their wealth of experience in dealing with sex-gangs and conversions etc....there are no real role-models that I look up to in the UK ................

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest KopSingh

Do you rember when sp brought "Gurdian Angles" over from usa in to Handsworth was only for a bit though.

who are "guardian angels"?, for the non-midlanders up in this joint

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I heard about it when the leader with the red beret (forgot his name) - mentioned it during an interview.

I urge all those who are close to the original Shere Panjab to ask them to come onto this forum so that they can give much needed advice from their wealth of experience in dealing with sex-gangs and conversions etc....there are no real role-models that I look up to in the UK ................

its unlikley they will come on here they are 40 yrs plus age have kids and, jobs, so they have no time for forums. i could do one two one interview and type it up on here, what info u looking for ?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

who are "guardian angels"?, for the non-midlanders up in this joint

Google em you'll understand

Im a relative newbie when it comes to posting on this forum but Ive been keeping a close eye on it for quite a while and I wouldnt have really thought that it was in need of any sort of talk or interview (though it would help) because one thing Ive noticed is that you guys have got your head screwed on right but seem to make an issue out of something trivial .The reason I posted here was that there was a previous thread on S.P (not the one with the 1988 video) and from what I recall they were getting a bit of undeserving slating so when the opportunity arrived with this new thread I thought Id put my point across.The one thing that got me was someone saying "they were monay" ..I mean honestly does it really matter ????

its unlikley they will come on here they are 40 yrs plus age have kids and, jobs, so they have no time for forums. i could do one two one interview and type it up on here, what info u looking for ?

.I absoluetly agree with you there Im pretty close to an old boy who used to run the Southall wing of it but hes more into charity work now ,Ill dig his number out and give him a buzz ,see what he says.

But about conversions and Paedophillia? What more do we need to know? Im sure there was a thread about the young girl that was on Sikh channel ,we just learn from there and take it from there . I mean were not kids we know how the Pakis do it and its the same since the 80's but the techniques have evolved because of enhanced social media etc..etc

We all know how they do it its just a case of getting our message across but then the rest depends on the individual....Im in bit of a rush and got to go so please forgive me if Ive said anything out of turn..

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest KopSingh

Google em you'll understand

Im a relative newbie when it comes to posting on this forum but Ive been keeping a close eye on it for quite a while and I wouldnt have really thought that it was in need of any sort of talk or interview (though it would help) because one thing Ive noticed is that you guys have got your head screwed on right but seem to make an issue out of something trivial .The reason I posted here was that there was a previous thread on S.P (not the one with the 1988 video) and from what I recall they were getting a bit of undeserving slating so when the opportunity arrived with this new thread I thought Id put my point across.The one thing that got me was someone saying "they were monay" ..I mean honestly does it really matter ????

.I absoluetly agree with you there Im pretty close to an old boy who used to run the Southall wing of it but hes more into charity work now ,Ill dig his number out and give him a buzz ,see what he says.

But about conversions and Paedophillia? What more do we need to know? Im sure there was a thread about the young girl that was on Sikh channel ,we just learn from there and take it from there . I mean were not kids we know how the Pakis do it and its the same since the 80's but the techniques have evolved because of enhanced social media etc..etc

We all know how they do it its just a case of getting our message across but then the rest depends on the individual....Im in bit of a rush and got to go so please forgive me if Ive said anything out of turn..

tru bro

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 Share

  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • WJKK WJKF Sangat Ji, I bought a brand new medium Artisan Kirpan (8.7 inches) from https://thekhalsaraj.com/products/black-g10-ultra-durable-kirpans 2 months ago, and it is in unused condition. I bought it 2 months ago and it is in unused condition, with everything that came with it still fully sealed. I even paid extra to get it ੴ ਸਤਿ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ  laser engraved on the blade. This cost me £370 including shipping from the USA. It is in brand new condition, but I no longer need it since I have been gifted a new Buddha Dal-made Pesh Kabz for free. I am selling it for £250 even though it is in brand new condition - it is a first-hand Kirpan. From the official website, it costs £370. The handle is indestructable G10 fiberglass, wielded to a razor sharp blade (edge and tip) which is engraved with the custom Gurbani. Please reply if any Singh/Kaur here would like to buy it - it's 100% first hand but £120 reduced price. Includes a an embroidered padded case for airport travel, a blank certificate of ownership, maintenance brochure and a beautifully decorated black/grey adjustable Gatra.   I sent this advert out to a few places, and also asked some retailers if they'd like it, so it may go soon. Please do reply if anybody is interested, more than happy to answer questions too! (Note: the pic is from Google but is exactly what the Kirpan and Gatra both look like - the one I have is still in the packaging).    
    • WJKK WJKF Sangat Ji, I bought a brand new Artisan Kirpan (pic below) from https://thekhalsaraj.com/products/black-g10-ultra-durable-kirpans. It is the medium option (8.7 inches). I bought it 2 months ago and it is in unused condition, with everything that came with it still fully sealed. I even paid extra to get it ੴ ਸਤਿ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ  laser engraved on the blade. This cost me £370 including shipping from the USA. It is in brand new condition, but I no longer need it since I have been gifted a new Buddha Dal-made Pesh Kabz for free. I am selling it for £250 even though it is in brand new condition - it is a first-hand Kirpan. From the official website, it costs £370. The handle is indestructable G10 fiberglass, wielded to a razor sharp blade (edge and tip) which is engraved with the custom Gurbani. Please reply if any Singh/Kaur here would like to buy it - it's 100% first hand but £120 less than normal. Comes with a padded foam case for airport travel, a blank certificate of ownership, maintenance brochure and a beautifully decorated black/grey adjustable Gatra.   I sent this advert out to a few places, and also asked some retailers if they'd like it, so it may go soon. Please do reply if anybody is interested, more than happy to answer questions too! (below's a pic of the exact model, but not the Kirpan I have, as it's still in its box. I've only unsheathed it once to inspect it, and I can confirm it's in perfect condition).        
    • WJKK WJKF! How long will this forum remain online for in a readable & accessible state? It appears susceptible to shut-down. It would be a shame if all the forum's content from over the decades is lost in such an event due to servers hosting this forum shutting-down. This forum, whilst not currently active, remains an important repository of the Sikh religion online. It also is a fundamental aspect of Sikh cyber culture that existed from the early Internet period from the 2000's to 2010's before the domination by big social-media sites that consolidated the community. Thus, have the web-masters of this forum considered archiving this forum's contents before it is lost forever? I can assist you in this by saving the content to the Internet Archive on your behalf. Please let me know your thoughts about such an endeavour and I hope you may consider the possibility of archiving the forum for posterity. Future generations of Sikhs and Sikh researchers will be grateful. Kind regards, Theth Panjabi (you can find me on IG at theth.panjabi and on X/Twitter at ThethPanjabi)
    • Video on the tale, gurdwara, and manuscript: link As the story goes, during the Vadda Ghallughara genocide against the Sikhs perpetrated by the Afghan Durrani Empire on 5–6 February 1762, not only were Sikh lives lost, but our original Damdami Sahib Bir recension was also lost in that carnage. However, over the years I have spent researching our history, many claimed it was taken back to Afghanistan by Ahmad Shah Abdali's troops as loot whilst others said it was secretly hidden somewhere by the Singhs for safe-keeping. As of today, it remains untraceable and I presume it is gone for good. However, I came across a couple of articles stating that there were actually around five master-copies of the original Damdami Bir, with one of these copies being safeguarded by the jatha of Bhai Sudha Singh of the Shaheedan Misl. "It is said that the tenth Sikh master Guru Gobind Singh had got five birs written at Damdama Sahib. The bani (writings) of the ninth Sikh master Guru Tegh Bahadur were incorporated in these birs. These five birs were given to different jathas (groups) of Sikhs by Guru Gobind Singh to be safely installed. One bir was being taken by Sudha Singh who was leading a jatha of 19 Sikhs, when Abdali'[s] forces stormed Kup-Rohira and killed thousands of Sikhs. Though all 19 Sikhs were massacred by Abdali, Sudha Singh somehow brought the bir to Kuthala. Since then it has been kept at village gurdwara." (Times of India, 2012) The gurdwara today [Gurdwara Shaheed Baba Sudha Singh Ji in Kuthala] has a certain historical manuscript that they claim is one of the five master-copies of the Damdama recension. You can see close-up shots of the bir in the video posted. I will also share close-up images of its folios in the comment section. I will also provide a faithful English translation of the video's narration so non-Punjabi speakers may benefit from this post. I will leave the question on whether this bir is authentic or not to your judgement but I will provide my own analysis below.   English translation of the video's narration: The Guru-form Guru Khalsa Holy Congregation (Sadh Sangat) Ji, Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. The Gurdwara Sahib that the congregation is currently beholding is situated in Village Kuthala, near Malerkotla, in the Sangrur district of Punjab. A very great treasure is preserved within this Gurdwara Sahib. The history of this Gurdwara Sahib is very closely related to the Vada Ghalughara (The Great Holocaust) that took place in February 1762. Baba Sudha Singh Ji, the third head of the Shaheedi Misl, arrived at this location considering it a safe place. He brought with him that sacred holy scripture (Saroop) which the Tenth Father, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, had personally dictated to Bhai Mani Singh Ji on the holy land of Damdama Sahib. Upon arriving, he personally performed the last rites (cremation) of 19 martyred Sikhs at this site. As he prepared to leave to take command of the Jatha (the Sikh contingent), the sacred holy scripture he had brought was enshrined at this very location. At that time, this place was known as Dera Jaga Sidh, but nowadays, a very beautiful building stands here in the name of Gurdwara Sahib Shaheedi. The sacred holy scriptures that were enshrined at that time are today ceremoniously displayed (Prakashwan) with great respect every Channi Dashmi (the tenth day of the bright lunar fortnight) for the congregation to behold. Devotees from within the country and abroad arrive to catch a glimpse of these sacred scriptures and receive the Guru's blessings. Every year, an annual Gurmat Samagam (religious congregation) is held for five consecutive days in memory of the martyrs of the Great Holocaust, concluding on Magh Sudi Dashmi. Furthermore, a book containing the full detailed history—titled after Shaheed Baba Sudha Singh Ji and the Hand-written Holy Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji—was released in February 2013 by the managing volunteers based on historical research. It was released by the 14th head of the Shaheedi Misl, Singh Sahib Baba Makhan Singh Ji (the current head of Baba Bakala Sahib), the Meet Jathedar Singh Ji, and Sant Gurdev Singh Ji of Anandpur Sahib (the current head). The congregation can obtain spiritual benefit by reading it. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.   My analysis: In my humble opinion (which may be incorrect), this bir is not a master-copy of the Damdami Bir. It more closely resembles the highly-decorated birs of the Kashmiri-style that were created during the reign of the Sikh Empire in the first half of the 19th century. We can see this bir has highly illuminated and illustrated angs (folios), which took the great skill of a master artisan to make, which required resources to pay and patronize. Usually, the manuscripts during the Sikh Empire were the most elaborately decorated, as this was when the Sikhs were at a high-point, masters of the land, possessing vast amounts of resources that they could use to fund such endeavors. Therefore, whilst the story may be true and a master-copy of the Damdami Bir recension may have once been at this location, I am not convinced that this particular manuscript is it. I may be mistaken and I am open to constructive criticism. 1633648456_GurdwaraHistory.mp4
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use