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We are ALL learners and learning.

But we have to use common sense and basic gurmat to know if we are learning the correct information or not.

The DDT's seem to just pay attention to the jathedar's quotes that they like,or the one's that make them feel food- but they forget that plenty of ridiculous ones were made as well.

I am not speaking with high or low regards for anyone, but Guruji has given us a brain with some basic logic.

Sikhism is mainly about basic logic and was meant to be simple for the simple man, unlike the vedas that only the educated Brahmins were entitled to know

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Most of the time people write that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib send his sikhs to Dhirmal

for Aad Granth so they can compile another Granth but at the time of establishing of

Khalsa sikhs were ordered to not have any relations with Dhirmalia.

If Guru ji has given an order how could he himself send his sikhs to a man with whom all relations of sikhs has been forbidden.

Not sure when exactly Guru Ji forbidded Sikhs to have any relations with Dhirmalias, I doubt it was when Khalsa was established. Maybe someone can clairfy the exact date.

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I don't think its ALL about reason and logic. If that was the point then I would've spent my entire life without taking Amrit and looking for reason and logic behind religons. Its when I stopped doing things on my own and started to accept His Hukam that I was blessed with Amrit. If we could understand everything with logic and reason then we would think that our matt is greater than everything else. I don't think we can consider ourselves dhoor of Guru Ji's charan when we have that manmukh thinking that we can figure everything with our brain. We can definitely understand with logic and reason which is what makes us different from other species and which is why we are entangled by our karmas unlike animals who are just here to go through dukh sukh. Can anyone (using reason and logic) explain what happened to the saroops of 1st and 10th Gurus? There are numerous events in the history of Guru Ghar that can not be explained with just reason and logic because they're beyond our comprehension. I guess everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions :D

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@ UKLondonSikh Ji - I sometimes wonder whether there is room for logic and reason when following a spiritual path. Logic and reason would argue there's nothing beyond what is immediately apparent to our senses, yet we know there is more out there.

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On a general note, it's sad to see how someone like Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji is being dismissed out of hand on this thread. I wouldn't presume to know more than them at all. We don't know what they did in terms of intense bhagti for them to reach these conclusions. Despite what I've seen and experienced in my life regarding so-called holy men, I still believe in the great Mahapurashs of the past. I think my brain has been addled by kaljug.

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