Who The Khalsa Associates With

[singhgsingh]

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

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Do not trust these groups because they have left the Guru and have become Beymukhs. Doing Sangat of them one will also become a Beymukh.

੧. ਮੀਣੇ:

Sri Guru Ram Daas Jee called Prithi Chand a Meena and disowned him:

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਚਾ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੁ ਮੁਹੁ ਕਾਲੈ ਮੀਣਾ ॥੧॥

The True Guru is the True emperor and the faces of the dissemblers are blackened.(1)

ਤਿਉ ਦਰਗਹਿ ਮੀਣਾ ਮਾਰੀਐ ਕਰਿ ਕੂੜੁ ਕੁਪਤਾ ॥੨॥

Thus, the dissembler out of his own hypocrisis is beaten hollow in the court of the Lord.

ਖੋਟੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮੀਣਿਆ ਦੁਖ ਦੇਂਦੀ ਮਿਤੈ ॥੫॥

Similarly, dissembler's company causes suffering for their friends

These are the sinners that tried to kill Sri Guru Har Gobind Sahib Jee as a child, by poisoning him, by letting a snake loose in the same room as him.

When Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaaj came to the Malwa region of Punjab Prithi Chand's descendants did a Benti to Guru Jee: Maharaaj Jee, we have been separated from the Guru Ghar, how can we reunite with you? Guru Jee replied: If you take amrit you will be accepted back into the Guru Ghar, whoever takes amrit will be our brothers.

Bhai Chaupa Singh states in his Rehatnama:

ਜੋ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਾ ਸਿਖ ਹੋਵੈ, ਪੰਜਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਨਾਤਾ ਨਾ ਕਰੈ। ਵਰਤਣ ਭੀ ਨਾ ਕਰੈ- ਪਹਿਲੇ ਮੀਣੇ, ਦੂਜੇ ਰਾਮਰਾਈਏ, ਤੀਜੇ ਕੂੜੀਮਾਰ, ਚੌਥੇ ਭੱਦਣੀ (ਮੋਨੇ), ਪੰਜਵੇਂ ਮਸੰਦ।

A Guru's Sikh must never associate with these 5: Meene, Raam Raaeeai, those that kill their daughters, those that cut their hair, and Masands.

੨. ਮਸੰਦ:

These people collected money in the name of Guru Sahib and mis-used it for their own self-fish needs. Bhai Prahlad Singh says in his Rehatnama:

ਕਾਰ ਭੇਟ ਸੁਖ ਮੰਨਤ ਕਰ, ਜੋ ਸਿਖ ਚਿਤ ਭਰਮਾਇ, ਸੋ ਸਾਕਤ ਪਾਪੀ ਸਦਾ, ਬਿਕਟ ਰੂਪ ਹੋਇ ਜਾਇ ।੧੯।

ਕੁੜੀ ਮਾਰ ਮਸੰਦ ਜੋ, ਮੀਣੇ ਕਾ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ, ਲਏ ਜੁ ਇਨ ਕੇ ਹਾਥ ਕਾ, ਜਨਮ ਗਵਾਵਹਿ ਬਾਅਦ ।੨੦।

Clear instructions are given here for Sikh to never associate with Masands, Meene, those that kill their daughters, even taking there food is forbidden.

In the Book Rehatnamai by Piara Singh Padam these instructions are given:

ਮਸੰਦਾ ਨੋ ਮੰਨਣਾ ਨਹੀ, ਗੁਰੂ ਸੰਗਤ ਕੀ ਬਹੁੜੀ ਕਰੇਗਾ।

ਮਸੰਦ ਮਸੰਦੀਏ ਦੇ ਮਰਣੇ ਪਰਣੇ, ਗੁਰੂ ਕੇ ਸਿਖ ਨਾਹੀ ਬੈਠਣਾ।

ਮਸੰਦ ਅਰੁ ਮਸੰਦੀਏ ਨਾਲਿ ਮਿਲਾਪੁ ਨਹੀ ਕਰਣਾ, ਹੋਰ ਵਧੀਕ ਦਿਕਤਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਰਣੀ, ਪਿਆਰ ਕਰਨਾ। ਜੋ ਸਿਖ ਮਿਲੈ ਸੋ ਮੇਲਿ ਲੈਣਾ।

੩ .ਧੀਰ ਮੱਲੀਏ:

The older son of Baba Gurditta Jee and Sri Guru Har Rai Sahib Jee's older Brother, Dhir Mal, was jealous at the fact that Sri Guru Har Rai Sahib Jee had gotten Gurta Gaddi, and had set up his own Dera, claiming to be the Guru at Sri Kartarpur Sahib. Gursikhs kicked him out of Sri Kartarpur Sahib. Then later on he set himself as a Guru at Baba Bakale, when Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib had gotten Gurta Gaddi. Then out of jealousy he attempted to assassinate Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Jee, by telling a Masand by the name of Sheenhe someone to shoot a gun at Guru Jee

ਕਰਤ ਰਹਯੋ ਜਬਿ ਧੀਰ ਮੱਲ, ਤਬਿ ਗੁਰ ਧਰਿ ਕਛੁ ਰੋਸ।

ਕਹਯੋ ਜੁ ਬਰਤੈ ਤਾਹਿਂ ਸੋਂ, ਲਗੈ ਤਿਸੈ ਸਿਖ ਦੋਸ ।।੨੩੭।।

(Sri Gur Panth Parkash Bisram 26, First Part, Page 817)

For this reason Sikhs do not trust, or do Sangat of those that believe in Dhir Mal.

੪ .ਰਾਮਰਾਈਏ-

The older son of Sri Guru Har Rai Sahib Jee was jealous with the 8th and 9th Gurus. To please the worldly king Aurengzeb, he changed a Gurbani Tuk from :

ਮਿਟੀ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਕੀ ਪੇੜੈ ਪਈ ਕੁਮ੍‍ਆਿਰ ॥ to "ਮਿਟੀ ਬੇਈਮਾਨ ਕੀ" For this reason Guru Sahib Jee kicked him out of the Guru Ghar (Sikh Panth) and told his Gursikhs not to associate with him. The Khalsa does not associate with these people.

ਰਹਿਤ ਏਹੀ ਹੈ ਜੋ ੧. ਮਸੰਦੀਏ ੨. ਧੀਰ ਮੱਲੀਏ ੩. ਰਾਮਰਾਈਏ ੪. ਸਿਰ ਮੁੰਡਤ, ਇਹਨਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਵਰਤਣਾ ਨਹੀਂ ।

This is the Rehat, do no associate with these people.

( Rehat Nama Bhai Daya Singh Jee, Page 70)

੫. ਗੰਗੂ ਸ਼ਾਹੀਏ (ਹਿੰਦਾਲੀਇ )-

The Masand that shot at Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Jee and Gangoo Shah who sold the small Sahibjadey and Mata Gujar Kaur Jee out to Vazeer Khan. The Khalsa does not associate with their lineage and family.

These Five groups are not to be associated with by the Khalsa. If any of them come to the Panj Pyare and take Amrit, and accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee as their Guru, then they are our Brothers.

ਪੰਜਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਮੇਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਨਾ

The Khalsa Does not eat or drink with these people:

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੧. ਨੜੀਮਾਰ-

Those that use Tobacco, smoke cigarettes, drink Alcohol and use other Intoxicants. Never eat or drink with them.

੨. ਕੁੜੀ ਮਾਰ-

Those that kill their Daughters at birth. (In Modern Perspective, this would include Abortion.)

ਦੋਹਰਾ ਮੀਣੇ ਔਰ ਮਸੰਦੀਏ, ਮੋਨਾ ਕੁੜੀ ਜੋ ਮਾਰ

ਹੋਇ ਸਿਖ ਵਰਤਨ ਕਰਹਿ, ਅੰਤ ਕਰੇਗੁ ਖੁਆਰ

Meene, Masands, those that cut their hair, and kill their daughters. If a Sikh associates with any of these he/she will be ruined.

(Rehatnama Bhai Prehlaad Singh Jee)

ਕੁੜੀ ਮਾਰ ਆਦਿਕ ਹੈਂ ਜੇਤੇ ਮਨ ਤੇ ਦੂਰ ਤਿਆਗੇ ਤੇਤੇ

All those that kill their daughters, stay far far away from them.

(Rehatnama Bhai Desa Singh Jee)

੩ .ਲੜਕੀਆਂ ਵੇਚਣ ਵਾਲੇ -

Those that sell their daughters during weddings.

ਸਾਈ ਪੁਤ੍ਰੀ ਜਜਮਾਨ ਕੀ ਸਾ ਤੇਰੀ ਏਤੁ ਧਾਨਿ ਖਾਧੈ ਤੇਰਾ ਜਨਮੁ ਗਇਆ॥੬ ॥

The daughter of the alms-giver is just like your own; by accepting this payment for performing the wedding ceremony, you have cursed your own life. ||6||

ਜੋ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਾ ਸਿਖ ਹੋਇ...ਕੰਨਿਆ ਦੇ ਪੈਸੇ ਨਾ ਖਾਏ

The Sikh of the Guru does not use the money of his daughter

(Rehatnama Bhai Chaupa Singh Jee)

੪. ਸਿਰ ਗੁੰਮ-

Those that cut their hair

ਸਿਰ ਗੁੰਮਨ ਕੇ ਮੁਖ ਨਹੀਂ ਲਾਗੋ

ਪਾਂਚਨ ਕੋ ਸਭ ਸੰਗ ਤਿਆਗੋ

Do not go near those that cut their hair

Lose all association with the 5 (Those mentioned in this post)

(Sri Gur Sobha, By Kavi Sainpat)

੫. ਮੋਨੇ-

Those that remove all the hair from their head and face.

The Khalsa does not eat or sit with these people. If anyone of these people takes amrit and becomes Rehat-Vala, then they are our brothers and sisters, then we can eat and sit with them.

Khalse only sit and eat with other Khalse

[Akal Warrior]

So....are you saying that you don't talk to monay?

[Mat Pulo Rai]

Hmm reading this i can see a point, if you know someone who would kill there own daughter before or after because of tradition, should be boycotted as goes for fake saints who collect money in the name of Sat Guru and so on.

But we can easliy slip in to hate and judging, which Guru shaibs has said only God has the authority to.

As for talking to monay, hmm well again you have a point, if all they do to have a good time is go to partys, drink and so on, i would advice not to join them, but you have things like school, collage and work, where you are around people like this all the time, what do you do not talk to them that ridiculous, imo If you followed this to the tee i could just imagine that scene where you get that akward kid thats always sitting on his own during lunch

[innergear]

Iz dis y mozt khalsa no eat wid 1 ppl dat eat in weddin party?? Cos dey gt alchol. . . Ther ?

[Shadow]

Iz dis y mozt khalsa no eat wid 1 ppl dat eat in weddin party?? Cos dey gt alchol. . . Ther ?

Haha I actually understood that :biggrin2:

[matey123]

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[PAL 07]

Gursikhs don't behave like these Kaljug Sikhs - look at 01.45mins

[singhgsingh]

There is no Hatred towards Monai and non-Gursikhs, this is just rehat of the Khalsa. Who the Khalsa eats with associates with etc.

[Akal Warrior]

Singhg...so what does a person do who has family members who are not Khalsa? Do you not sit and eat with them when they come to visit your home? What if someone has parents or siblings who are not Khalsa? Do you not associate with them either?

[KARKOOSINGH23]

number 4 and 5 , is there a differencebetweenda 2 , sir gunm and monay , like one cuts har and one cuts all hair