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Why Do Most Parents In West Not Teach Punjabi To Their Children?


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16 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Theres something off about punjabis that cant speak Punjabi properly.

People of our mentality need to understand that most Sikhs residing outside of India for generations just aren't interested invested in the culture and the religion to the extent that its practice and preservation is a priority. They partake in some of the expected cultural rituals, for the sake of family, etc., but there's a further hardcore minority who I'd hazard a guess don't particularly like any outward sign of their belonging to a religious minority. I'm not knocking them, it's just the way things are I suppose.

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32 minutes ago, puzzled said:

just can't connect to them on a brethren level. I just see them as any other White boy or girl. 

me too.

So many bhappas where I live speak hindi and I find it very difficult to connect to them on a brethren level.

few days back I was in park doing exercise and a bhappa kid came to me and asked in hindi that why my mask is small.

I asked why r u speaking in hindi and he replied that we r Indians and we shud all speak in hindi.

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Punjabi does not have a positive light for some of our people due to SOME attitudes from people that can speak Punjabi fluently on those that don't.

There is a certain smugness by some theth speakers to the ones that speak tutti-pajji.

They love to point out that the tutti-pajji cannot speak it properly when they are attempting to speak it. And then tell them speak and learn it when that is exactly what they are trying to do.

The question is then do the theth deliberately say that to the tutti-pajji because they want to maintain an air of superiority. 

And if someone tries to learn in a Punjabi school then you try to converse with some from deepest darkest Doaba (with the the accent, dialect with local colloquial slang words), only to be told that they can't speak Punjabi.

How would the theth Punjabi person feel if they learn their ILETS English and then try to converse with a Geordie or Glasweigen (using their full Geordie/Glasweigen slang words and accent speaking at 400 words a second)  and then to be told they can't speak English?

The theth suck out the fun in learning the language for the tutti-pajji that it puts them off from learning it.

This conversation has been going on for at least 4 decades and it is repeats ad nauseum.

 

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1 hour ago, learningkaur said:

I agree regarding white people, but I can’t help how negative experiences in my life mainly with males in my family and alcohol have made me feel.

See it is all a matter of perspective. For me it was the opposite. I use to associate almost all the wrong things that Punjabis do due to western cultural influenced that we have adopted mainly from English speaking countries over the decades. That's not to say Punjabi culture also does not have negative aspects like casteism, dowry. There are good and bad aspects in every culture. 

In my own family we only speak Punjabi at home yet we never drink alcohol, listen to Bhangra music, go to parties or even swear which are all the negative things you associated with Punjabi language.

I see language as a very powerful tool for identifying with a religion. Punjabi is very strongly associated with Sikhi just as Hebrew is with Judaism. The West is like a melting pot. One by one you lose all your cultural and religious links and become westernized or Gora'fied. If one takes Santhiya of Gurbani, one must know how to speak Punjabi if they want to have proper pronunciation of Gurbani because in this world only the Punjabi language has the unique sounds of ਝ, ਘ, ਢ, ਧ, ਭ, ੜ, ਙ, ਞ.  A Sikh should always strive to have Shudh Gurbani Uchaarn. Just think, how will your children do proper paath of Bani if they pronounce Gurbani like an English speaking westerner unable to pronounce these unique Punjabi sounds?

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1 hour ago, shastarSingh said:

me too.

So many bhappas where I live speak hindi and I find it very difficult to connect to them on a brethren level.

few days back I was in park doing exercise and a bhappa kid came to me and asked in hindi that why my mask is small.

I asked why r u speaking in hindi and he replied that we r Indians and we shud all speak in hindi.

I had a fight with my masi about this issue her lad is seven months younger than my eldest  and she decided to move back to India in the early noughties  , but although she lived in Jallandhar she insisted that it was more important for her kid to read and speak hindi and should not be bothered about Punjabi . Now she realises the mess that Punjab is through enforced support of corrupt politician and how sikhs are manipulated and penalised and has started encouraging her lad in speaking punjabi since moving back to Uk again. It's almost like having to prove you are Indian by speaking their lingo but, tamils mostly don't speak hindi and they are not castigated for it . We need to stop with the inferiority complex.

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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Punjabi does not have a positive light for some of our people due to SOME attitudes from people that can speak Punjabi fluently on those that don't.

There is a certain smugness by some theth speakers to the ones that speak tutti-pajji.

They love to point out that the tutti-pajji cannot speak it properly when they are attempting to speak it. And then tell them speak and learn it when that is exactly what they are trying to do.

The question is then do the theth deliberately say that to the tutti-pajji because they want to maintain an air of superiority. 

And if someone tries to learn in a Punjabi school then you try to converse with some from deepest darkest Doaba (with the the accent, dialect with local colloquial slang words), only to be told that they can't speak Punjabi.

How would the theth Punjabi person feel if they learn their ILETS English and then try to converse with a Geordie or Glasweigen (using their full Geordie/Glasweigen slang words and accent speaking at 400 words a second)  and then to be told they can't speak English?

The theteh suck out the fun in learning the language for the tutti-pajji that it puts them off from learning it.

This conversation has been going on for at least 4 decades and it is repeats ad nauseum.

 

but miracles can happen and tuttipajji punjabi can become as good as teth... just need to persevere  , watch Sant ji speechs and listen to ad pop interviews on newcasts , watch nihangs explaining gurmat concepts, watch punjabi village cooking/sewing videos , even listen to older generation muslim punjabi talking about the old days ...

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5 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

Do white people also not do the above listed negative things that you associate with the Punjabi language? Plenty of English speaking  white people also drink, do drugs, party all night and God knows what else. 

I think what you are associating with the Punjabi language is Bhangra culture aka Kunjar Culture. This started in the UK during the late 70s and 80s and ended up influencing Punjabis in India and worldwide on how they party, drink and celebrate.

If one asks their elders who are in their 80s on how Punjabis long ago conducted weddings or celebrated during family functions or gatherings it was nothing like the depravity we now see among today's Kalyugi minded Punjabis 

Bro, at some stage we have to pucker up enough balls to name this culture what it is, and not hide behind the 'Punjabi culture' label. I witnessed the growth of this 'culture' with my own eyes.  

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