Sikh Girl Dragged Into Wooded Area And Raped By Paki

[Mehtab Singh]

This will only add fuel to the existing hatred for Pakis in UK due to recent incidents of people from their lot being convicted of grooming and committing disgusting deeds with little girls, some not even teens. I always wonder, where are their leaders and why don't THEY give a statement assuring that they will do something about THEIR community?

We all know well that at the end of the day Sikhs may just end up doing what Dasmesh Pita jee said in Zafarnama.

[singh1986]

This will only add fuel to the existing hatred for Pakis in UK due to recent incidents of people from their lot being convicted of grooming and committing disgusting deeds with little girls, some not even teens. I always wonder, where are their leaders and why don't THEY give a statement assuring that they will do something about THEIR community?

We all know well that at the end of the day Sikhs may just end up doing what Dasmesh Pita jee said in Zafarnama.

They do give statements in condemnation... the problem is the extremists get all the attention in the media... all people have to do is contact a local Imam and ask them whether these acts are anti-Islamic!

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/9707238.Bradford_Imams_seek_action_on_sexual_grooming/

There are plenty of Muslim forums out there as well....people will see widespread condemnation! But for some reason we automatically seem to be believe the voice of Wacko's with no real power in their community.... REMEMBER the religion people are slandering is also the religion of Sufi's of Punjab such as Abdullah Shah and Peer Buddhu Shah as well as the descendents of Bhai Mardana...

[Mehtab Singh]

They do give statements in condemnation... the problem is the extremists get all the attention in the media... all people have to do is contact a local Imam and ask them whether these acts are anti-Islamic!

http://www.thetelegr...exual_grooming/

There are plenty of Muslim forums out there as well....people will see widespread condemnation! But for some reason we automatically seem to be believe the voice of Wacko's with no real power in their community.... REMEMBER the religion people are slandering is also the religion of Sufi's of Punjab such as Abdullah Shah and Peer Buddhu Shah as well as the descendents of Bhai Mardana...

Sorry but I thought they were Sufis. The ones who commit such acts are followers of Aurangzeb's and Wazir Khan's version of Islam.

[Singh559]

The average IQ of an EDL member:

Don't turn this into a hate thing. That's the easy and weak thing to do. The SIkh way to do it is not to be overcome in hate and to understand the situation and then fix it! SAS (especially BHai Mohan Singh) is doing an amazing job exposing actual grooming that is going on predominantly in the pakistani-english community.

Don't use hate to try to spread information, that doesn't work.

[Mehtab Singh]

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[Singh559]

I feel compelled to add:

I've grown up in, and spent most of my life thus far, in what was a proper Pak strong hold. I've only manged to get away to somewhere where there are a lot more apnay recently after decades. The difference is massive. The constant threat of violence and tension that existed before is lifted like dark cloud that's disappeared.

Sure, where I was before had a handful of tough apnay, but when you are outnumbered like that, it doesn't make it easy. Numbers can count when people can rustle up scores more guys than you can, plus the other side being infinitely less bothered about stuff that would have them doing time. It can be like being swamped.

One thing I will say to those of you who are stuck in a Pak s**thole like I was for ages - is get the hell out at the first opportunity. Our parents generation (and many of those of the subsequent ones) are often just plain too dumb to realise what placing yourself in such a situation leads to, too often.

Boys can become internally cowed down from growing up in a situation where retaliation for slights can quickly lead to a fight they can't handle. Girls become attracted to the strongest guys who give them a sense of (false!) security. Often dimwitted parents only realise there is a problem with their daughters after the worse has happened. The truth is that for many of us, our parents have little idea about our experiences at ground level. We seem to live in parallel universes.

I feel that perhaps we need our own strongholds where we can dictate what goes on, like others do. And maybe not turn every apna into some office puppoo.

This problem isn't going to go away any time soon sadly. Mostly because there is little deterrent against it from apnay. That's the inconvenient truth.

I don't mean to offend anyone, just telling it like I see it.

I can only imagine. Respect.

Thanks for sharing

[singh1986]

Sorry but I thought they were Sufis. The ones who commit such acts are followers of Aurangzeb's and Wazir Khan's version of Islam.

Regardless of whether they were Sufi, Shia or Sunni, they were muslims! I still think its disrespectful to hate on "Pakis" (a word that the admin's surprisingly seem to freely allow on this forum )they were all Muslim with Mohammed as their prophet and yet people think its acceptable to slander the prophet of Islam!? Remember their are "Paki" sufi's as well...

Certainly, There is a problem with sex attacks in the Pakistani community and their leaders and Imams constantly condemn it and preach against it and are trying to stop it! However we should not hate and malign the whole community... I just hope any Muslim that is reading this forum doesn't think all Sikhs discriminate and demonise thier religion... its starting to look like an EDL, white supremacist forum on here! Next the word "Nigger" will become acceptable..

[SarabhaPanjab]

so 2 goreh from an insignificant group show up and stand with sikhs.. and these mugs sit here discussing that, rather our sister being raped and our community response.

lol usual mugs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9299139/Luton-local-Sikh-community-protesting-over-sex-attack-police-failures.html

[GoKesh]

You have no idea what you are talking about. I have had breif experince meeting with edl, they are good people.

You talk about "divide and conquer" you can only divide something which is united in the first place and we are not united with Muslims, they are the oldest enermy -FACT

With all due respect I do know what i am talking about please don't respond that way. Maybe they are your kind of people. Not all muslims are the same please treat people on a person to person basis. Guru Nanak Dev Ji did exactly that.

[dalsingh101]

so 2 goreh from an insignificant group show up and stand with sikhs.. and these mugs sit here discussing that, rather our sister being raped and our community response. lol usual mugs http://www.telegraph...e-failures.html

You don't think having low life, right winger goray jumping all over Sikh issues effects the wider community perception of events. By this I mean both by the wider Sikh community and the mainstream one?

It is a horrible thing, but in order to get the message across (internally and externally) we have to weigh these things in. Especially with the way media blows these things up.

I've done my best to get this issue highlighted for YEARS! It isn't like I'm a newby to the situation.

At this moment when we (potentially) have more people in our own community (and perhaps outside too?) willing to take the issue of the grooming and abuse of apneean seriously, we MUST be careful not to have the issue conflated with the rabid edl/bnp crap. Otherwise the people that matter will simply turn away in distaste.

Another thing people need to realise is that newspapers or sites like the BBC having tiny, Internet articles about the matter, which are usually sort of tucked away discreetly (i.e. most readers wouldn't find them or would pass them by) isn't the major mainstream exposure to the issue people may imagine. Okay, something is better than nothing, but we need to remember this.

I REALLY would like to know just how aware our community are about the issue of grooming or just Paks targeting apnneean for relationships etc. (with a view to strike a blow for their 'cause') these days. By this I mean outside of the Internet world and the regulars who discuss this. Being amongst apnay at the moment I get the impression that this issue is generally still quite a distant one for hordes of the community. They are still mostly concerned about their children's education, wealth and the usual stuff. The spectre of grooming and abuse doesn't seem to exist for them - which is half of what allows it to happen perhaps?

When we make the community more aware, they should know that the issue isn't one that lumps them in with scum bags of gora society. Our people flee away from anything controversial like that.