Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa & Bibi Bano

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8 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

no they didn't because they valued their Guru PIta ji's instruction against marrying such bibian

No I meant indian soldiers in general 

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

No I meant indian soldiers in general 

well as history has shown Khalsa army was nirala as they didn't rape or harass females, children or elderly unlike the rest of the world who used any excuse to do that and still do .

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42 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

well as history has shown Khalsa army was nirala as they didn't rape or harass females, children or elderly unlike the rest of the world who used any excuse to do that and still do .

Yes very true,  they were real men  with dignity.

Armies using women to distract men of the opposite camp is an age old trick. The mughal used to do it.  Mata hari was responsible for the death of 1000s of soldiers during WW1 

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18 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Yeah, but 'bhoging' a sulli was a major one for Singhs - it turned them into sullay. 

so why we started bhoging hindu women and hindu men bhoging our women in return ??

I personally know of many families wherein Sikhs marrying hindu women end up with hinduized sons who look like sardars but visit mandir more than gurudwaras and then in another generation even the turban disappears. 

[Ranjeet01]

8 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

well as history has shown Khalsa army was nirala as they didn't rape or harass females, children or elderly unlike the rest of the world who used any excuse to do that and still do .

This is a very tribal thing where one tribe attacks another, kill the menfolk and take the women.

You take the womenfolk because they have reproductive value. The elderly are discarded because do not offer any value. And you kill off the children because they grow up and may take revenge or you co-opt them and brainwash them.

It is a very base animal thing as you see this in the animal kingdom as well.

Our Sikhi rises above this base animal ways. Which makes it hard for our quam because it feels like you have to stoop down to a lower lifeforms level.

[Ranjeet01]

8 hours ago, puzzled said:

Yes very true,  they were real men  with dignity.

Armies using women to distract men of the opposite camp is an age old trick. The mughal used to do it.  Mata hari was responsible for the death of 1000s of soldiers during WW1 

I think the term is "honey trap"

[dallysingh101]

51 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

so why we started bhoging hindu women and hindu men bhoging our women in return ??

I personally know of many families wherein Sikhs marrying hindu women end up with hinduized sons who look like sardars but visit mandir more than gurudwaras and then in another generation even the turban disappears. 

You get Sikhs marrying Sikhs who have indifferent, irreligious children too. What's your point?

Anyway, you're missing my small point about Singhs 'bhoging' sulliyan appearing to be a major no no, and turning them into sullay. You can see how this original thinking persevered amongst Akalis even into M. Ranjit Singh's raj, with how they reacted to marrying Mohan compared to his other Hindu wives. It was just a historic observation. 

I can see you're in a dramatic mood....... <sigh>

[Redoptics]

19 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

That is direct from sakhi where Singh was injured and captured on the battlefield, they cut his hair, did sunnat and so he was scared he would not be parwan to Guru ji , but Guru ji told him until you marry/have knowledge of a non sikh you will remain a sikh

If you have knowledge of a non sikh? You are not a sikh? 

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58 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I think the term is "honey trap"

Lol yes  I think that's the correct term 

I once read a book about mata hari. They executed her at the end. 

[jkvlondon]

51 minutes ago, Redoptics said:

If you have knowledge of a non sikh? You are not a sikh? 

in the carnal sense bhai , it's the way the bible puts it 'to have knowledge of a women'