Gurmat And Prahlad.

[13Mirch]

How would Gurmat refute the story of prahlad? I know it's mentioned in Bani but how is it viewed in difference to Hinduism?

[mohinder pal]

SAACH KAHON SUN LEY O SABHE....JIN PREM KYO TIN HE PRABH PAEYO.

SGGSJi is not for sikhs alone, SGGSJi is for everyone(Muslim,Hindus,SIkhs.....so on). thats is why Guru Gobind singh ji telling SUN LEY O SABHE(Listen Everyone)...otherwise Guruji would have written...SUN LEYO SIKHO(only sikh).

PRahlad, Dhru, Hanuman,Kabeer,Farid, and all bahagts are Khalsa and true Gursikhs.

[GuptUnknown]

How would Gurmat refute the story of prahlad? I know it's mentioned in Bani but how is it viewed in difference to Hinduism?

Gurmat is in agreement with Bhagat Prhalad ji, nothing to refutee....akward question.

[Singh559]

First it was Dasam Granth Sahib Ji now Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Don't fall victim to these missionaries spewing venom against our banis.

This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 10

This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 10

Gir hrxwKs dYq dy klir kvlu Bgqu pRüihlwdu]

pVHn pTwieAw cwtswl pWDy iciq hoAw Aihlwdu]

ismrY mn ivic rwm nwm gwvY sbdu Anwhdu nwdu]

Bgiq krin sB cwtVY pWDy hoie rhy ivsmwd]

rwjy pwis rUAwieAw doKI dYiq vDwieAw vwdu]

jl AgnI ivic GiqAw jlY n fubY gur prswid]

kiF KVgu sid puiCAw kauxu su qyrw hY ausqwd]

QMmH pwiV prgitAw nrisMG rUp AnUp Anwid]

bymuK pkiV pCwiVAnu sMq shweI Awid jugwid]

jY jY kwr krin bRhmwid ]2] Prahlad, the saint, was born in the house of demon (King) Haranakhas like a lotus is born in the alkaline (barren) land.

When he was sent to seminary, the Brahmin purohit became elated (because the King’s son was now his disciple).

Prahlad would remember the name of Ram in his heart and outwardly also he would praise the Lord.

Now all the disciples became devotees of Lord, which was an awful and embarrassing situation for all the teachers.

The priest (teacher) reported or complained to the King (that O King your son has become devotee of God).

The malevolent demon picked up the quarrel. Prahlad was thrown into fire and water but with the grace of Guru (the Lord) neither he was burnt nor drowned.

Angered as he was, Hiranyaksyapu took out his double-edged sword and asked Prahlad who his Guru (Lord) was.

At the same moment Lord God in the form of man-lion came out of pillar. His form was grand and majestic.

That wicked demon was thrown down and killed and thus it was proved that the Lord is kind to devotees since the time immemorial.

Seeing this Brahma and other Gods started eulogising the Lord.(2)

[N30S1NGH]

This is pricely my point that was made in other thread, but lot of sikhs (missionary others alike) have this "Abrahamic' version of God because of victorian influence. They have no idea about sargun and nirgun and nirgun intertwined relatationship with sargun. There is nothing "hindu" about Vahiguroo transceding its attributes or immanent its attributes to sargun(shud satogun) avtars according to need and time. There are many different types of avtar (listen to sant gyani gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale on avtars in japji sahib katha)

Jab Jab Hot Arsat Apara

Tab Tab Deh Dharat Avtara (Bachitar Natak)

Whenever numerous tyrants take birth

Then that one takes avtar in physical form.

Every one should read 18 long pages anyalsis in english on avtarvad and sikhi by tirath singh nirmala in Bhavrasamrit teeka translations and commentary. It's very interesting and clarifies gurmat position on avtarvaad and clears lot of misconception.

Whilst gurmat uses concept of avtar where it needs to, according to time (puran hari avtar guidance etc, narsingh to kill harnakash and save parlad, nit avtars- saints etc) and for devotion for gurmukhs (sargun vahiguroo upma in our granths - sri guru granth sahib, sri dasam granth, sri sarbloh granth and other ithasik granths soraj parkash etc be it in form of gurbani tuks, mangal charan etc) it does not over emphasize importance on avtars to the point where sikhs start making same mistakes as some follower of other avtars did in the past have did - mistaking the gunas (shud satogun etc) themselves as nirgun chaitan vahiguroo instead of transcending naturally to gyan layer of sikhi or also idiolizing the avtars limited to an idol worshipping and getting stuck at idol worshipping forgetting indestructibale nirgun paratma. Hence, having dvait (duality) contary to Gurmat, as Gurmat is advait (non duality Marg).

Gurmat uses very careful and balance approach when it comes to avtarvad and Sikhi so sikhs don't pitfall like other followers of other dharams have. Gurbani contains two sides of same coin to teaching on avtar emphasing brahman (nirgun paratma) in sat chit anand ( Ad ant eko avtara sohi samjheo guru hamra) and on other side of coin presenting sargun paratma in form of our guru sahib to invoke devotion ie- prem.

Considered carefully there is no contradictions here on two sides of same coin on avtarvaad, its only clear guidance about the two paramaters by which to understand nature of avatar; the symbolic form is to inculate devotion, inspiration, adoration, love and sacrifice purely as a means to realise that which is beyond gunas

Ighai Nirugn Ughai Sargun kel Karat Bich Swami Mera

Here ( you are) formless; there (you are) with form. You play it both ways, O my swami || Ang - 827

[N30S1NGH]

With that being said above..!!

Dhan Dhan Dhan Vahiguroo ji taking avtar of Narsingh to kill evil harnakash.

Kaal Bhi Tu, Akaal bhi Tu!!!!!!!!

[Only five]

How would Gurmat refute the story of prahlad? I know it's mentioned in Bani but how is it viewed in difference to Hinduism?

Why don't you explain how it is against Gurmat in your opinion and how it is same as Hinduism. Your ambigous post does not let anyone help you

[Jonny101]

Why would you want to refute Dhru and Prahlaad Jee? These are Bhagats from the previous Yugs and since they are mentioned in Gurbani they are worthy of respect. By trying to refute these great Bhagats, you will only end up refuting Gurbani itself. Far from refuting them we need to take inspiration from them. Their saakhi can and should be told to our children to build faith in them about the power of Naam Simran. Where we can differ from Hindus is that the Hindus say they were worshipers of Vishnu, but in reality they were worshipers of Vaheguru. Hindus believe Pralaad was saved by Narsimha Avtar, but it was Vaheguru Jee's Shakti that worked through Narsimha and saved Bhagat Prahlaad.