Question About Khalistan

[Shamshere]

I think you are deluded my friend. Why stop there? Why not ask for Delhi as well!

[mrsingh12]

Far from wanting to challenge the orders given by Singh Sahib Sri Maan Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale, but can any Sikhs envisage that should political, economic and social reform on a mass scale occur in for Panjab and Indian Sikhs, Sikhs may find it acceptable to remain in India. The Khalistan question is an extremely difficult to answer as all solutions eventually lead to a dead end atm.

[RebelSingh]

I think you are deluded my friend. Why stop there? Why not ask for Delhi as well!

errm well because it wasnt promised 2 us @ partition

[Shamshere]

Oh, so all of the old east Punjab was promised to us? Where's the evidence?

[RebelSingh]

Oh, so all of the old east Punjab was promised to us? Where's the evidence?

http://www.panthkhal...aj/raj_1947.php

read it. theres probably other sources, but i cant b asked 2 find em, ive discused this 2 the limit so many times, its boring now to be honest. like i said before rather than carrying on with this thead, u shud jus search for older threads on khalistan n re-start them threads, oh n read through em 2. if u did, u wudda found the link ive given.

safe

[hench]

Are people dreaming too much, if Khalistan is ever made it will only be the state of Punjab. India is too powerful, Punjab is land locked, its main industry is agriculture, for any economy to compete in this modern day and age it needs to be based on manufacturing or services which is minimal in punjab. Who ever said aircrafts are convenient for importing and exporting probably do not know the cost of this operation. To enhance trade with the rest of the world every country needs to build ports, there is no place in punjab for ports.

[Shamshere]

Are people dreaming too much, if Khalistan is ever made it will only be the state of Punjab. India is too powerful, Punjab is land locked, its main industry is agriculture, for any economy to compete in this modern day and age it needs to be based on manufacturing or services which is minimal in punjab. Who ever said aircrafts are convenient for importing and exporting probably do not know the cost of this operation. To enhance trade with the rest of the world every country needs to build ports, there is no place in punjab for ports.

You talk a lot of sense my friend. Also we need to change our mentality. Whenever it comes to politics we turn to violence. Whether that's in parliamentary elections or gurdwara elections.

Punjab is one of the few states in India where alcohol shops are shut on election day due to the violence.

[UKLondonSikh]

If Khalistan was ever to exist it would be a landlocked country. Countries like this have limited trade potential and have to rely on their neighbours to import and export goods by sea.

UK = Paji, i stopped considering Khalistan (within the boundaries of modern day Punjab) as the best way forward for our Panth after 1997. From 1984 I had wholeheartedly believe in our separation from rule by a terrorist central state. In the subsequent time since 1984, Sikhs have now even become a minority within the Doaba (thanks to our own ineptitude in dealing with jaath-paath baqwaas) meaning that any plebiscite-granted Khalistan would realistically be limited to Majha and Malwa regions only. Having said that, the argument against Khalistan should not really be opposed on the grounds of viability. Punjab is certainly viable economically even as a landlocked state. You only have to look at Switzerland as an example of a successful landlocked state. The main argument against raising naaray for Khalistan in 2012 lies in the separate Gurdware pinda vich, the levels of female infanticide in Punjab, the levels of literacy in Punjab and the scale of the drugs epidemic in Punjab. We need to tackle the more pressing immediate issues which are within our ability to change right now before thinking of Khalistan in one giant leap via the same method that 1984-1995 failed to achieve. When we achieve united Gurdwara, equal male/female ratio's, 100% literacy and instil the discipline to resist drugs and alcohol amongst 99.9% of Sikh youth ... then not only will Punjab be ours for the taking ... i genuinely believe that hundreds of millions of folks currently classified as Hindu could come to Sikhi of their own will ... thereby laying the ground for the whole of India to be a de facto become Khalistan or a Desh of Begumpura's. Yeah I know that seems a dream but let's at least work towards that vision within our own abilities. Less lives will be lost that way and with that there will be Sarbat da Bhala.

Shamshere = If Khalistan ever comes to being it will make India an enemy and Pakistan is also an enemy. So what is the solution to this? And yes Pakistan is an enemy, we should never take their help.

UK = True, the Indian Government of 1984 most certainly was a terrorist enemy of Sikhs and Pakistan expresses its open enmity to Sikhs daily by supplying the fuel for much of the drugs crisis in Punjab and how they were instrumental in ethnically cleansing the Afghan Sikhs recently. However, with Dr Manmohan Singh now the Prime Minister of India, The Head of the Indian Army also a Sikh, as is the Senior Economic Planner and chief UN representative etc, etc we have to recognise that India has changed a lot and take advantage of that rather than continually looking back to 1984 as the sole prism with which to view all political matters. For example, several Indian states now support the thrust of the Anandpur Sahib resolution to a great degree and we need to garner their support to ensure greater federalism is a starting point. That way, a federal structure of independent states within an EU or ASEAN type federation is what India could conceivably become. Obviously, if India did magically disintegrate like the USSR or Yugoslavia nobody would say "no". But even if central state interference with Sikhi stopped completely and simply federalism occurred, then even with that freedom alone Sikhi could grow like wildfire amongst what are termed Hindu masses outside of Punjab. The only way our enemies keep Sikhi down is by falsely associating it with terrorism (and by seeking to limit the definition of a Sikh to as small a number of people as possible), which sadly some have wrongly come to believe. Dr Manmohan Singh has been crucial in combatting the propaganda of the Indira+Rajiv era. It's a shame, however, he has been unable to deliver justice to the innocent Sikh victims of the Genocide our Panth suffered.