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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

A number of allegations have been put against Baba Harnam Singh Ji Khalsa. Most of these are to cause further friction in the Taksal. The Taksal on its own does not make up the Panth, Taksal is part of the links which including other Jathebandi's of the Panth make up the backbone of the Sikh Dharam.

Bhai Amrik Singh Ji Ajnala are doing a great seva exposing Radha Swamis and raising other Satkaar issues, but if Bhai Sahib has a personal grudge against Harnam Singh then this is not the time to express it, he should not use a Panthic issue, but face to face at Sri Akal Takhat Sahib and work for the unity of Damdami Taksal.

But the allegations which have been placed against Baba Harnam Singh are totally false. If anybody including Bhai Amrik Singh Ji Ajnala can prove this, take it to the Panj Singh Sahibaan at Sri Akal Takhat Sahib, provide the proof take the media with them so nobody can go back on their word, then Harnam Singh will present himself at Sri Akal Takhat Sahib to accept and punishment given to him from the Panth.

Most of these allegations are by people who hate the whole concept of Damdami Taksal or Sri Dasam Granth and by those people who are questioning why is Harnam Singh doing so much but were not getting any lime light?

In the picture where Parkash Singh Badal sits on a chair, where as everyone around him sits on the floor, does anyone know the reason for this? This is because he has had a hip replacement not because he is higher than Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but because it is phsically not possible for him to sit on the floor. As for Harnam Singh holding a thaal of sweets is this Anti-Panthic?

Many other leaders have vowed to do so much, what have they achieved?

The two of the numerous issues of the Panth, the calendar issue was sorted. The memorial for the 1984 Shaheed Singhs has begun building.

Yet Harnam Singh is still Anti-Panthic? Harnam Singh starts building 1984 and the affects could be felt as far as Delhi? Yet he's still Anti - Panthic?

Singhs dont waste your energy slandering each other, do as much as you can for the benefit of the Panth.

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You've explained why badal's sitting on a chair, you havent explained why Dhumma is hugging him like a Sant or Guru Sahib! This guy Dhumma lays claim to the dastaar (lineage) of Mahapurash like Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji, Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji and Sant Baba Kartar Singh Ji. You think they would ever be in a pose such as the below with Badal? This photo says alot about the relationship between the two of them.

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The chair issue in regards to Badal is minor what about the appointment of the Dusht Samedh Saini to DGP why has Sant Samaj stayed silent. Sumedh Saini his alleged to have Sikhs also Badal gave to ticket to dusht Izhar Alam.

If bhai Harnam Singh ji can come out in the media and openly say that the appointment of Sumedh Saini and giving to ticket to Izhar Alam was wrong then this would be great and he would immediately get respect from the Sikh Panth. We cannot have ties with a person that appoints killers of Sikhs.

Also why are Badal and Makkar saying that the Sikh memorial will only be a Gurdwara and have no pictures? I hope bhai Harnam Singh ji can shed more light on this. Surely the Sikh Memorial should have pictures and names of all shaheed of 1984 and other massacres by the Indian Govt.

Can you please clarify these points. I have nothing against bhai Harnam Singh ji and hope he has the best interests of the PAnth at heart but he should clarify above points - giving ticket to izhar alam, appointing Sumedh Saini, no pictures in Sikh Memorial.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh

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But the allegations which have been placed against Baba Harnam Singh are totally false. If anybody including Bhai Amrik Singh Ji Ajnala can prove this, take it to the Panj Singh Sahibaan at Sri Akal Takhat Sahib, provide the proof take the media with them so nobody can go back on their word, then Harnam Singh will present himself at Sri Akal Takhat Sahib to accept and punishment given to him from the Panth.

Above pretty much sums it all..!!

If people got issues with him or anyone else for that matter (i.e - heretic darshan lal, jeonvala,dhunda), tarmala ji etc)), they should take it up to sri akaal takth sahib...no point claiming yourself "panthic" if you cannot go to sri akaal takth sahib and present your case !!!!

And if you think Sri akaal takth sahib jathedar is curropt or badal run etc, who is stopping you as individual to slowly work yourself up to get seat in SGPC to improve the situation, surely whining about it on the forums cannot and does not help..!!..as they say- its human nature to whine about the problems, but hardly any human walk the path to resolve those "problems". We all have this syndrome- aah cannot be arsed, some next singh will do the seva..!! ermm yeah ok..lol.

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If bhai Amrik Singh ji was lying about bhai Harnam Singh ji visiting Radhswami leader then is wrong. However bhai Amrik Singh ji made this statement in front of thee media and we have taken him at his word. It would be good if this issue can be cleared.

Veer N30 Singh ji,

How can one get a seat in the SGPC, this is nearly impossible because first you need to join a political party either Congress or Akali Dal Badal which are both corrupt, there is no doubt on this. On a personal level I could never join hands with these parties or campaign for votes for them.

How would I campaign for Parkash Singh Badal while he is hiring dushts like Sumedh Saini to DGP and giving ticket to dusht Izhar Alam?

We could easily defeat Badal and Congress with combined effort of Panthic Jathebandis Maan, Bittu and Sampardas/Jathebandis - AKJ,Taksal,Nihangs e.t.c. We do not need to join hands with corrupt politicians and corrupt parties we can achieve success by forming a third front which has Naam Abhiyaasi, Rehitwaan Gursikhs and leaders with good political knowledge.

If all the Panthic leaders get together and form a plan to get control of SGPC we can get success.

No individual can can get chardi kale for panth unless they have apaar kirpa of Guru Sahib this needs to be a combined effort between Panthic Gursikhs and Panthic Leaders.

I think we are overestimating Badal/Captain and underestimating the potential of the Sikh Panth.

Lets set aside differences regarding maryada etc and get chard kale for panth first.

I repeat we will never get success by joining hands with Congress or Akal Dal Badal.

I hope Sant Samaj and bhai Harnam Singh ji can prove daas wrong.

Rabb Rake

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osingh veer ji, time to wake up and see the reality...using anti panthic to take out another anti panthic is pretty common technique (whether its via journalism/information war fare/election/politics) and its called proxy war..proxy war is well accepted in the sikh misl back post guru's time and even around 1980's - you study the situation and adapt according to the situation....there are plenty of examples in sikh history to show that.

Whilst its good to be idealist but we must wake up to the reality and look at the bigger time-

If sikh start following raw ideals not realize the ground reality then we would be crushed..for eg its bit of exterme example but it fits in- its well known fact most of weaponry around 1980's time came from pakistan/ISI- everyone including panthic singhs looked at the bigger picture and decided to used those weapons from pakistan- they didn't let co-operation hinder just because- pakistan/ISI as a nation is hot bed for extermist/ jihadist who are not our "genuine freind" and ought to convert everyone to Islam..they knew pakistan is not a genuine freind- Sikh freedom fighters knew pakistan is using them for proxy war for bigger sinister cause but still sikh freedom fighters used pakistan help.!!....even self righteous elitist used them!!! ..according to panthic.org..they must be anti panthic then..lol

Look i am idealist too where i love to see- army of naam abhyasi singhs pargat infront of enemy and destroy all of enemies with star war weapons, but we need to wake up and face the reality and accept the fact- Vahiguroo work through mysterious ways and proxy war is one of them!!!!!

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The chair issue in regards to Badal is minor what about the appointment of the Dusht Samedh Saini to DGP why has Sant Samaj stayed silent. Sumedh Saini his alleged to have Sikhs also Badal gave to ticket to dusht Izhar Alam.

If bhai Harnam Singh ji can come out in the media and openly say that the appointment of Sumedh Saini and giving to ticket to Izhar Alam was wrong then this would be great and he would immediately get respect from the Sikh Panth. We cannot have ties with a person that appoints killers of Sikhs.

Sant Samaj had straightaway made their feelings about saini being dgp and alam given a ticket, known to badal. Badal accepted their demand for alam to be dropped, but not for saini. Sant Samaj do not agree with this, but ultimately the responsibility lies with badal.

osingh, i know you arent a moorakh, but you sure giving me the impression you are an imbecile, and i say that as someone who knows you can do better, but you seem intent on making yourself look like a moorakh time after time.

I have time and time on this forum, told of example of history where Sikhs/Dal Panth had to unite with the killers of Sikhs for a certain cause. I have posted this a good few times on this forum, in topics where you have posted, are you telling me that you have never read them, or understood them?

Come on Bro! I know and you know that " Sikhs joining with the killers of Sikhs" has happened before. Or just come straight out and say it, that we can not or should not have ties with people like Nawab Kapur SIngh, Sultan Jassa Singh, and Sardar Jassa Sngh Ramgarhia.

Also why are Badal and Makkar saying that the Sikh memorial will only be a Gurdwara and have no pictures? I hope bhai Harnam Singh ji can shed more light on this. Surely the Sikh Memorial should have pictures and names of all shaheed of 1984 and other massacres by the Indian Govt.

The photos thing came about because someone complained the Gurdwara wouldm have pics of the shaheeds from the Khalistan movement. There are pics of Bhai Amrik SIngh and Gen Subeg SIngh in the gallery, and they have been there for years.

If bhai Amrik Singh ji was lying about bhai Harnam Singh ji visiting Radhswami leader then is wrong. However bhai Amrik Singh ji made this statement in front of thee media and we have taken him at his word. It would be good if this issue can be cleared.

Veer N30 Singh ji,

How can one get a seat in the SGPC, this is nearly impossible because first you need to join a political party either Congress or Akali Dal Badal which are both corrupt, there is no doubt on this. On a personal level I could never join hands with these parties or campaign for votes for them.

How would I campaign for Parkash Singh Badal while he is hiring dushts like Sumedh Saini to DGP and giving ticket to dusht Izhar Alam?

You would do it, by knowing that some sacrifices have to be made for the greater good of the panth. Sant Samaj has realised this.

We could easily defeat Badal and Congress with combined effort of Panthic Jathebandis Maan, Bittu and Sampardas/Jathebandis - AKJ,Taksal,Nihangs e.t.c. We do not need to join hands with corrupt politicians and corrupt parties we can achieve success by forming a third front which has Naam Abhiyaasi, Rehitwaan Gursikhs and leaders with good political knowledge.

If all the Panthic leaders get together and form a plan to get control of SGPC we can get success.

I think we are overestimating Badal/Captain and underestimating the potential of the Sikh Panth.

Im sorry to be blunt but you have no idea what you are talking about. Put all the Panthic Sikhs together and they are not bigger than Badal Dal votebank. I put my life on that.

I repeat we will never get success by joining hands with Congress or Akal Dal Badal.

I hope Sant Samaj and bhai Harnam Singh ji can prove daas wrong.

Sant Samaj dont have to prove anything to you.

Recently in the news, the ex-leader of the IRA, shook hands with the Queen of England, their enemy for almost 500 years. Why? Because the IRA knew that to acheive some of their aims, they had to give up some of the most fundamental republican principles, such as not recognising the Republic of Ireland (26 counties) and Northern Ireland. For many it was a bitter pill to swallow, but eventually they have seen the enormous progress made towards the re-unification of Irelands 32 counties, more than if they had carried on with their war campaign.

osingh, give it a rest. please.

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Chatanga, good post bro but if i may request you to stay away from personal attacks..we are all brothers and son and daughters of sri guru gobind singh maharaj..come on we are all one family..!!

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Veer Chatangi ji,

Quote "Badal accepted their demand for alam to be dropped, but not for saini. Sant Samaj do not agree with this, but ultimately the responsibility lies with badal."

Badal gave the ticket to the wife of Alam. Is this acceptable?

"The photos thing came about because someone complained the Gurdwara wouldm have pics of the shaheeds from the Khalistan movement. There are pics of Bhai Amrik SIngh and Gen Subeg SIngh in the gallery, and they have been there for years."

Who complained about the pictures? Avtar Singh Makkar has stated in recent news article that there will be no pictures or names. I am not talking about the gallery but the Sikh Memorial which is dedicated to the shaheeds of 1984. How can a Sikh Memorial contain no pictures or names of shaheeds?

I do not understand why you resort to name calling? Daas has raised genuine concerns and it seems like many others on this forum agree. Anyway daas has no enmity towards you and I would never call you names such as "imbecile" or "weasel". Please lets maintain respect towards each other. This is a panthic issue and not personal issue veer ji.

Again I hope I am wrong and Sant Samaj and bhai Harnam Singh ji are right. Daas only wants chardi kala for the panth. May Guru Sahib bless Sant Samaj, bhai Harnam Singh ji and entire Sik Panth with success and chardi kala.

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Badal gave the ticket to the wife of Alam. Is this acceptable?

Who complained about the pictures? Avtar Singh Makkar has stated in recent news article that there will be no pictures or names. I am not talking about the gallery but the Sikh Memorial which is dedicated to the shaheeds of 1984. How can a Sikh Memorial contain no pictures or names of shaheeds?

I do not understand why you resort to name calling? Daas has raised genuine concerns and it seems like many others on this forum agree. Anyway daas has no enmity towards you and I would never call you names such as "imbecile" or "weasel". Please lets maintain respect towards each other. This is a panthic issue and not personal issue veer ji.

alams wife getting ticket is still a bad thing, but considering how bad things are in the panth, exactly how bad is it?

the hindus were complaining that pics of Khalistani Sikhs were going to be put up, and that this was a shrine to them.

Name-calling is just a test Bhaji, to see if you are reading my posts, at least now I know you are reading my posts, but why insist on writing the same drivel all the time, which makes it look like you havent read or understood my posts?

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OSingh Jee is right. Khalsa needs to only trust in Guru Gobind Singh Jee. Only the Saharaa of 10th master can give us success, not siding with lallu panchus of Akali Dal or Congress. Just imagine if all the Singhs of Taksal, Sant Samaj, AKJ, Nihangs, Sampradas, Bittu, Maan etc get together and form a 3rd front, the Akali Dal and Congress would start to have sleepless nights out of fear. Problem is, we don't have enough faith in the Khalsa. We have more faith in the corrupt men that are running India today.

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Chatanga veer, please shed some light on how or if sant jarnail singh bhindranwale used curropt politicans - langoval etc in proxy war against indira oppresive gov't ( i already used example of weapons from pakistan- but does not seem to help people understand i guess.) !!. It be interesting if you can provide more examples.!!

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Neo bhaji, i dont think these people will understand. jonny just seems to be parroting the same drivel that osingh posted.

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Jonny is right! So you want sikhs to support sumedh saini now. Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindrawale could have taken an easy way out, but he did not. Which of this part is hard for you guys to undersatnd.

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