Krishna In Sikhism

[Only five]

Many excuses are being made. Gurbani is very clear cut on Krishna........Krishna cannot be worshipped in any shape or form for those who follow Gurmat. Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Maharaj katha is very clear cut on Krishna...........escape Krishna (fell in kaal).....not follow Krishna. Others can believe whatever their heart desires. But Gurbani does not teach what their opinion is on this topic. Many like to call the Gurus as just Avtar of Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj and by doing so they club the Gurus in with the devis and devta. This is completely wrong and Gurbani tells us the Gurus were and are the one Lord himself. Also the Gurus were not just sargun Saroop of Maharaj. Again they are the Nirgun Saroop of Maharaj. Gurbani tells us over and over Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj and the Gurus are one and the same(no difference in any form or without form, yet we have people going against the basics of Sikhi. Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj took form as the Gurus and now we have Sikhs trying to differentiate between the one. These individuals can only see as far as Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj lets them. Gurbani is against worshipping anyone expect Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj. Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Maharaj tells in one katha that Krishna got others to worship him by making stones of him. Which saroop did Krishna make this mistake in? I guess criminal lawyers have another way to get their client off the hook now....he was in a different saroop.....LOL Some like to add Maharaj after Krishna's name and Gurbani tells us that Krishna is a insect. This discussion really goes back to Sri Japji Sahib. So many are acting, but they are only acting with Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj's will. Krishna instead of realizing that Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj is acting, got egotistic and said i am acting, hence worship me. ONCE the "I" comes in, then you are done. Kaal will drag you by the hair and throw you to the wolves. Read Bhagat Kabir Ji Maharaj's Bani very carefully. Bhagat ji is down on his knees saying you act and cause me to act, i can't do anything, bless your mercy upon me. Bhagat ji lived Sri Japji Sahib and won the game of life. Kabir was no more, there was only Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj after Bhagat ji united. Krishna held on to his title, acts, and desires. Such shakti was blessed upon Krishna, but he got caught up in it and lost. Think it as those who are blessed with so much wealth in this world, yet they don't even think about thanking Maharaj in their dreams. They have all the time in the world to do bhagti, but they are stuck in the maya of wealth. The wealth is their shakti(maya).

Dhan Dhan Dhan Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Maharaj, who keeps Sikhs joined to Gurbani and teaches how to bow to Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj in all his true forms. Dhan Dhan Satguru and his True Sants.

Stick to the basics.....Gurbani............then devi and devta worshippers can't trick anyone with their magic shows. Many like to throw in all these different concepts, but at the end of the day they are only their to confuse and lead you the wrong way.

[N30S1NGH]

New age hoddie sikh youths along with their smagams boyz can believe whatever they want but that does not change the fact that- kaal - death is limited to physical death of a body which everyone had to give up their body (that's why we were given shabad guru as eternal guru), death/kaal is limited to physical death, that there is NO black hole kaal in the spiritual world that one go in it and never come back up. Sant Hari Singh Ji Randhawale- student of Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranwale are on record saying on their recent visit- that sri krishan ji is in sachkhand, you can get the recording from member-sunny_love kirtan. Thats pretty consistent with all the other gyani samparadic mahapursh that i have spoken to, not even single gyani samparadic mahapursh says that krishan is not in sachkhand, they all say he is in sachkhand. After looking at fast positions held by all mahapursh about krishan ji in sachkhand, one must question their own shortcoming and understanding on subject of kaal and krishan instead of blowing things out of proportions in Gurmat and start using Gurmat to fight their own silly wars..!!

I am not saying my explanation earlier in this post is gospel truth, its just lame attempt and my understanding to explain the reasoning on subject kaal and krishan..take whatever you will!!

[JSinghnz]

Old age pretenders who still believe in Avatars can be exposed from a long distance.

ਕਾਹੂ ਨੇ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਯੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਾ ਕਹੁ ਕਾਹੂ ਮਨੈ ਅਵਤਾਰਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ ॥

ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਬਿਸਾਰ ਸਭੈ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਹੀ ਕਉ ਕਰਤਾ ਜੀਅ ਜਾਨਯੋ ॥12॥

Someone calls him Ram or Krishna and someone believes in His incarnations, but my mind has forsaken all useless actions and has accepted only the One Creator. ||12|| (33 Sawayeas, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

[N30S1NGH]

Great quote Jsinghz veer, it just further proves how guru maharaj ji wanted us to rise above from fanatic sargun upasaks of sargun avtars to nirgun saroop of Vahiguroo Ji (all prevading!)..thats i have been saying all along in this thread.

[JSinghnz]

Great quote Jsinghz veer, it just further proves how guru maharaj ji wanted us to rise above from sargun avtars to nirgun saroop of Vahiguroo Ji (all prevading!)..thats i have been saying all along in this thread.

So can you also please try to rise above useless discussions about Rama, Krishna and

be grateful to be a Sikh who has no time for these so call avatars.

[N30S1NGH]

Pyare veer, I am not the one who started this discussion/thread.

[JSinghnz]

Then why are you so concerned about "krishan ji in sachkhand,"

Stop wasting your time and energy on these so called avatars who have

no place in Sikhi.

[PAL 07]

j singh please dont be negative and spoil the thread - All the avtars that came on earth were given powers by Guru Nanak Dev Ji - The Aad Guru, The one and only Anadi Sargun form of Nirankar as stated in Ang 1390 of Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Guru Nanak Dev Ji are the king of kings all other avtaars and great saints were given powers bu Guru Nanak Dev Ji as stated in Ang 1390 see the link below

http://www.srigranth...fb=0&Param=1390

[N30S1NGH]

j singh please dont be negative and spoil the thread - All the avtars that came on earth were given powers by Guru Nanak Dev Ji - The Aad Guru, The one and only Anadi Sargun form of Nirankar as stated in Ang 1390 of Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Guru Nanak Dev Ji are the king of kings all other avtaars and great saints were given powers bu Guru Nanak Dev Ji as stated in Ang 1390 see the link below

http://www.srigranth...fb=0&Param=1390

I agree with you pal veer ji.

But just a small observation, we need to be extremely careful on that we don't confine aad guru - sri guru nanak dev ji maharaj to only anadi sargun form of Nirankar only (like some at nanaksar do)- if we do we are falling traps like some hindus have done with their avtars, we are also opening room for ultra orthodox supremacist types to hijack this divine and pure vary concept of sri guru nanak dev ji- sargun form of nirankar to play with semantics all day long.

Gurmat is pure advait marg. Sargun and Nirgun (gyan of naam) are part of each other, cannot be seperated.

Most profound experience* of aad guru- Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji is Shabad Guru- Nirgun form (gyan saroop of naam)- advait sat chit anand chaitan parbhram Vahiguroo.!!!!

*Kaival Mukhti as opposed to four types of sargun mukhti.

Also singh bit off-topic but do you have any details on major vichar on sargun and nirgun of vahiguroo between baba nand singh ji maharaj and sant maharaj gyani gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale? I know anand chamatkar ( as it was written by over zealous chela) is slightly biased on this..but any unbias analysis you can direct me to? I am extremely interested as to what occur in those vichars?

[PAL 07]

Stop wasting your time and energy on these so called avatars who have

no place in Sikhi.

complete and utter rubbish - you lack respect for those mahapurkhs who came and did great deeds in this world

N30 at this time no katha comes to mind but i will keep an eye out and ear