Krishna In Sikhism

[Singh559]

Interesting replies, I read everyone's and appreciate everyone's perspectives and do agree avtars have no place in Sikhi. However, Guru Sahib does mention them so a Sikh can learn from them. Guru Gobind SIngh Ji makes it clear as JSinghz veerji said that he never remembers ganesh, krishan or any avtar. A GurSikh khalsa who has taken khande batte da amrit and battles panj chor everyday and wakes up for nitnem is infinite times in the court of sachkhand because they consider themselves to be the lowest of the low and constantly fight to control and manage the panj vikaar.

It's interesting to note, there are historical references that show exactly which kinds of wine these avtars used to take. I remember reading in my prehistory class that krishna used to take a wine reserved for the aristocratic rulers called soma and used to indulge in various sexual ventures.

[N30S1NGH]

Alright i already clarified the concepts- Avtarvad and Sikhi in pg- 1 and page 2 in the post. People need to read 18 page long analysis with gurbani by tirath singh nirmala in english in the book-bhavrasamrit. Everyone questions will be answered.

**time to sit back in back seat and open up pop corn and gingerale and be ready to watch satguru nanak dev maharaj tamasha/play of this world fold and unfold, hehe..who wants to join? ** :lol2:

[Singh559]

**time to sit back in back seat and open up pop corn and gingerale, watches the maharaj tamasha/play fold and unfold, hehe..who wants to join? ** :lol2:

Popcorn and gingerale is anti gurmat! Let's debate about it!

Only kidding haha. That sounds good right about now. :stupidme:

[VanHelsingh]

Water and laicheeya are all you need. Control your tastebuds, Singhs. :biggrin2:

[Singh559]

Water and laicheeya are all you need. Control your tastebuds, Singhs. :biggrin2:

Leechian - eat just one, i dare you!

It's impossible.

Or do you mean laicheeyan, if so, I love laicheeyan as well. They're natural antibiotics haha.

Thought you meant the fruit.

[N30S1NGH]

**takes a back seat, just wonders before startin munching- butter on pop corn is gurmat or anti gurmat, voting begins now..hehe**

[VanHelsingh]

Leechian - eat just one, i dare you!

It's impossible.

Or do you mean laicheeyan, if so, I love laicheeyan as well. They're natural antibiotics haha.

Thought you meant the fruit.

The first ones, the small ones. :biggrin2: The one you crush up and put in your tea (or use to - I've stopped drinking tea).

[sunny_love_kirtan]

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਧਨਿ ਧੰਨਿ ਓ ਰਾਮ ਬੇਨੁ ਬਾਜੈ ॥

ਮਧੁਰ ਮਧੁਰ ਧੁਨਿ ਅਨਹਤ ਗਾਜੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਧਨਿ ਧਨਿ ਮੇਘਾ ਰੋਮਾਵਲੀ ॥

ਧਨਿ ਧਨਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਓਢੈ ਕਾਂਬਲੀ ॥੧॥

ਧਨਿ ਧਨਿ ਤੂ ਮਾਤਾ ਦੇਵਕੀ ॥

ਜਿਹ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਰਮਈਆ ਕਵਲਾਪਤੀ ॥੨॥

ਧਨਿ ਧਨਿ ਬਨ ਖੰਡ ਬਿੰਦ੍ਰਾਬਨਾ ॥

ਜਹ ਖੇਲੈ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਰਾਇਨਾ ॥੩॥

ਬੇਨੁ ਬਜਾਵੈ ਗੋਧਨੁ ਚਰੈ ॥

ਨਾਮੇ ਕਾ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਆਨਦ ਕਰੈ ॥੪॥੧॥

I used to think that this shabad is directly devoted to Krishna and i felt really unsatisfied until i heard the 2nd version of katha of same shabad by Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh ji.

This is what I love about Sant ji. Sant ji always do 2 or more arths of gurbani. 2nd version is katha of nirgun swaroop and even though u see words like krishan, his mother devki, his village bindraban in this shabad and you will wonder how can someone do katha of this shabad not not relate to Krishan at all. You will be surprised when you will listen to the katha below by Sant ji. It is just soooo amazing.

 

http://gurbaniupdesh.org/multimedia/04-Katha/04-Sant%20Gurbachan%20Singh%20Ji%20%28Damdami%20Taksal%29/Katha%20Sri%20Guru%20Granth%20Sahib%20Ji/CD11%20%28Ang%200975-1070%29/014-Raag%20Malli%20Gourha-Ang-988%20%28Bhagat%20Bani%29.mp3

 

 

Edited: Link corrected.

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[Bundha]

I have not read all the posts but my 2 cents worth.

When we write disparaging remarks about Sri Ram Chander or Bhagwan Krishan or are flippant about them it shows a fundamental lack of understanding.

Through the yugas Akaal Purkh sent down His avtars to put the masses on to the correct path. Satyugs reign was presided over by Bhavan Ji, Tretra Yuga was presided over by Sri Ram Chander, Dwapar yug was presided over by Bhagwan Krishan Ji and in the present time of Kaal Yuga it is presided over by Guru Nanak Dev Ji and 10 patshahi’s.

If you have any respect for Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale Ji or any mahapurkh then you should have just as much respect if not more for Sri Ram Chandra Ji and Bhagwan Krishan Ji, they were no ordinary souls, they were one with Akaal and all those who disrespect them will have to answer for their deeds.

Yes, Guru Sahib Ji writes about avatars and about how they were created and destroyed by Akaal, but ONLY Guru Ji has the level to say these things, we murakh fools who now nothing have no right to dis them. In Krishan Avatar composition Guru Ji writes with such haunting beauty about Krishan Ji.

This is what your Guru writes in the opening part of Shastar Naam Mala.

All these names - knife, sharpened small knife, karad( small dagger) , dagger, bugda (a curved cutlass). Please help me from all the worldly illusions.

You initially created this universe and then created the (different) sects. You create conflict amongst them and then help them resolve it.

You are (Lord) Raam. You are Siri Krishan and you are the incarnations of (Lord) Vishnu. You are the subjects and you are also the Emperor of this universe.

[N30S1NGH]

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਧਨਿ ਧੰਨਿ ਓ ਰਾਮ ਬੇਨੁ ਬਾਜੈ ॥

ਮਧੁਰ ਮਧੁਰ ਧੁਨਿ ਅਨਹਤ ਗਾਜੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਧਨਿ ਧਨਿ ਮੇਘਾ ਰੋਮਾਵਲੀ ॥

ਧਨਿ ਧਨਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਓਢੈ ਕਾਂਬਲੀ ॥੧॥

ਧਨਿ ਧਨਿ ਤੂ ਮਾਤਾ ਦੇਵਕੀ ॥

ਜਿਹ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਰਮਈਆ ਕਵਲਾਪਤੀ ॥੨॥

ਧਨਿ ਧਨਿ ਬਨ ਖੰਡ ਬਿੰਦ੍ਰਾਬਨਾ ॥

ਜਹ ਖੇਲੈ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਰਾਇਨਾ ॥੩॥

ਬੇਨੁ ਬਜਾਵੈ ਗੋਧਨੁ ਚਰੈ ॥

ਨਾਮੇ ਕਾ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਆਨਦ ਕਰੈ ॥੪॥੧॥

I used to think that this shabad is directly devoted to Krishna and i felt really unsatisfied until i heard the 2nd version of katha of same shabad by Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh ji.

This is what I love about Sant ji. Sant ji always do 2 or more arths of gurbani. 2nd version is katha of nirgun swaroop and even though u see words like krishan, his mother devki, his village bindraban in this shabad and you will wonder how can someone do katha of this shabad not not relate to Krishan at all. You will be surprised when you will listen to the katha below by Sant ji. It is just soooo amazing.

 

http://gurbaniupdesh.org/multimedia/04-Katha/04-Sant%20Gurbachan%20Singh%20Ji%20%28Damdami%20Taksal%29/Katha%20Sri%20Guru%20Granth%20Sahib%20Ji/CD11%20%28Ang%200975-1070%29/014-Raag%20Malli%20Gourha-Ang-988%20%28Bhagat%20Bani%29.mp3

 

 

Edited: Link corrected.

Edited: Link corrected.

Sunny_love_kirtan veer,

Two arths (Sargun and Nirgun) naturally make sense. However, look at grand scheme of things- from bhramgyani stand point- gurmat is advait- non duality- ONE thats how they perceive it so sargun form of vahiguroo in form of krishan in this case, nirgun paratma are ONE no difference. Naturally, we jaigaso would prefer nirgun svaroop arths as we ourselves trying to get their birthi from sargun to nirgun. However, as i said earlier there will be stage in everyone's life as they grow spiritually where one does not feel "unsatisfied' anymore..sargun and nirgun are one!!!!! Only way to feel that and live in it is - bhramgyan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!