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why has my post been deleted? for speakin the truth? i never bashed islam ONCE in my post, simple facts bowt how muslim empires spread emselves, n how this non-beliver is pushin his crap on our SIKHsangat! this is gettin ridiculous, i made so many rebuttals n good points, MODS i demand u re-consider n put my magnificent post back up, that guy was full of it bowt his crappy so called "heritage" of empires, whic h was built on rape n zabardasti behaviour. wud they have deleted a pro-sikh post on a muslim board, answer is YES, n wud they have deleted a response 2 that post by a muslim, NEVER!!!

Reposted here, don't name call and post things that condone violence. I've edited your post and took a few things out that would be deemed as promoting violence or insensitivity.

silly like u make me laugh, how u glorify ur islamic rule, which was substantial, but also illegal and done thru the sword and in forced/zabardasti fashion on the ppl of the land. FACT is, isnt it a coincedence that the 2 largest religions in the world (in terms of numbers) r the 2 religions which have been spread by the sword? The romans did it, british did it, arabs (who have robbed iran of its beautiful pre-islamic culture) did it, afghans did it, turks did it, muslim mughals did it, all done by the sword. Thats the only reason ur religion and "civilisation" was a superpower for many centuries. next u will b tellin me how jahanghir and aurangzeb r ur heroes.

Also regardin my comments, [CUT] we cudnt jus sit back, despite bein outnumbered, we taught alot of ppl a lesson they wudnt forget. i find it incredibly funny how u scoff at my pride of choppin ppl in 47' yet ur religion has spread in this exact same way.

FACT is also, if sikhs durin the misls and maharaja ranjit singhs period, had decided 2 do wat islamic rulers did, which is 2 forcefully convert the ppl of the land conqured, THERE WUD B NO MUSLIMS north of delhi today, aka NO PAKISTAN/KASHMIR/TRIBAL AREAS, possibly even NO Muslims in AFGHANISTAN, who knows where hari singh nalwa and the nihangs would have stopped.

The editor of the titt Bits newspaper of England wrote in one of his columns around 1881:- "Some people might think that Napoleon was a great General. Some might name Marshall Hendenburgh, Lord Kitchener, General Karobzey or Duke of Wellington etc. And some going further might say Halaku Khan, Changez Khan, Richard or Allaudin etc. But let me tell you that in the North of India a General of the name of Hari Singh Nalwa of the Sikhs prevailed. Had he lived longer and had the sources and artillery of the British, he would have conquered most of Asia and Europe…."

the only muslim emperor i ever rated was emperor akbar, who like maharaja ranjit singh, allowed ppl 2 follow watever dharam they wanted, if this had been done by any of the evil muslim rulers, then most of the middle east wud still b jewish/christian populated, afghanistan wud b a buddhist country and iran wud b a zoroastrian superpower. i only rate sufi's, who have spread islam through naam jappin gods name thru music, which ironically muslims r disgusted by.

here's a question, AFTER 1947' the borders had closed, 40% of pakistans population was non-muslim (sikh/hindu/christian), now in 2012, minorities population stands at a whoppin, get ready for it.......2-5%, WHERE HAVE THEY GONE? its in ur guys nature 2 never allow kafirs 2 enjoy freedom, so thast how ur "superpower" spreads all over the gaff

romeo done!!

Well RebelSingh ji , I don't know why you are mad at me? I'm not "glorifying" Islamic Rule .... have I? Why would I glorifying anything related to Arabs , Turks , Persians , Mamluks , Mughals , Central Asians etc? Though they all were "Muslims" but they also fought with eachother and slaughtered their own Muslim 'bretheren'... When Ottoman Empire (strongest miitary empire of the world during its time) was invading and conquering Europe....it was attacked by another Islamic Empire known as "Timuric Empire" ...Had it was not for Muslim Conquerer Timur , Europe would probably have fallen to Islam completely...So you see , there is nothing to glorify... Just as West slaughtered eachother...so did the Muslims...but thats how dominant civilizations of the world work...

Yes , military might was used in spread of Islam...but lets be honest....do you think 500 million Muslims of South Asia are here due to sword only...OR...they are here due do great Sufi Saints of this land? Over-whelming majority of Muslims of South Asia weren't converted by "force"...but by love , compassion , teachings of equality of Sufis of this land.

I don't think that the minorities in Pakistan wer 40% after the formation of the country. Everyone "migrated" to India...Jalandar was a Muslim-Majority region...but it is SIkh majority now..it doesn't mean that Sikhs killed all Muslims...but it is due to the fact that Muslims migrated to Pakistan. Same goes for minorities in North-Western India....

You seem quite young to me....Things in this world aren't "White" or "black" ... The things are very , very complicated. You can't just brush everyone with one paint....Indonesia is the largest Islamic country...which war was fought there?

Your taking "pride" in chopping innocent , unarmed Muslims only give a bad name to your own great religion.

You should take pride in great Sikh empires or rulers...not the unfortunate incidents like killings during partition.

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During partition no one was safe, it didn't matter how big of a Sardar you were. All were fair game to be killed by rioters on both sides of the border. Another story of partition is one of my relatives. This man was my grand mother's cousin(chacha's son) and lived in Lyalpur(now called Faisalabad). He was an officer in the army and had fought in WW2 in Burma and was also of high rank but had retired by the end of the war. When he and his entire family and his brothers & cousins and their families were ready to migrate they decided to migrate together because it was safer when you are in a large group. This group consisted of thousands of Sikhs. Along the way they fought off many rioters and looters successfully. Then for some reason my relative and his brothers and cousins were separated from the larger group of Sikh migrants. They now became vulnerable to attack since they were no longer a large enough group. They were then attacked by Baloch soldiers who were notorious for killing Sikhs and helping the rioters. The Sikhs did not have any weapons except for a few Kirpans while the Baloch soldiers were armed with rifles.

My relative who had lost all his belongings including his extra cloths had his former army uniform with him. So his started wearing his uniform since he had nothing else to wear. But he along with his brothers/cousins were attacked by Baloch soldiers who took my relative to their commanding officer(also a Baloch). When the Baloch officer saw my relative in his uniform he asked him who he was. My relative explained to him he was in the army and fought in Burma. Coincidentally the Baloch officer also fought in the same war in the same battles. He immediate stood up and gave a salute to my relative out of respect since they were both officer class and had coincidentally fought the same battles during WW2. The Baloch officer then told my relative's brothers and cousins that if he was not your relative you would all be dead by now. The Baloch officer personally escorted my relative and his brothers/cousins to safety. When they reached safety they all told him to keep on his uniform since that uniform is what saved them from certain death.

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Panther veerji, seriously how did it get to this? did Auzar jee say anything against our dharm that you feel you should insult his dharm like this? imagine if he did the same thing and replied using insults against what we hold (religiously) dear how would we feel? we wouldn't like it anymore than he would. He did not even write anything remotely insulting towards anyone yet why does he get insults in return? this is not the Sikh way to behave.

Insulting people of other faiths is not the Sikh way. This is becoming a disturbing pattern. I remember there was a Hindu here not too long ago by the name of "hindu veer". And the same thing happened there. Every time he wrote something(not even remotely offensive) people wrote disrespectfully against his Dharm for no reason. This is not how a Sant Sipahi should be.

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Panther veerji, seriously how did it get to this? did Auzar jee say anything against our dharm that you feel you should insult his dharm like this? imagine if he did the same thing and replied using insults against what we hold (religiously) dear how would we feel? we wouldn't like it anymore than he would. He did not even write anything remotely insulting towards anyone yet why does he get insults in return? this is not the Sikh way to behave.

Insulting people of other faiths is not the Sikh way. This is becoming a disturbing pattern. I remember there was a Hindu here not too long ago by the name of "hindu veer". And the same thing happened there. Every time he wrote something(not even remotely offensive) people wrote disrespectfully against his Dharm for no reason. This is not how a Sant Sipahi should be.

Its not him..but I'm amazed by the MODS on this forum...I have been reporting him all long..but no response from the Mods. He posts SAME copy-pasted crap EVERYWHERE he sees me commenting etc..Other day , we were talking about politics in Punjab etc and he showed up and said the SAME thing...that Muhammad married this..he was this..and that...I categorically told him " Dude , this is not even the topic" ..but he posted some other crap..and MODS took no action against him...and now you can see it here too....

If I even "respond" to him...I'm pretty sure that I'll get "under moderation" ...but this guy doesn't get under moderation...amazing.

There are NO facts he is posting..He posts Bukhari as if Muslims believe Bukhari as an "authority" ...He even posts "Ibn Ishaq" , which Muslims categorically REJECT on many times...but again...he keep copy-pasting anti-Islamic Christian missionary websites and mods take no action from him...

Suppose some young Muslim lad interested in Sikhi comes on this forum...and all he sees is this.......just imagine the "image" of your religion that would be formed in that lad's mind ....

Pather ji is doing more damage to Sikhi than to Islam.....

**SS Mod note - His previous posts were deleted upon request and these have been as well.

Panther - don't post the same things again and again. If you want, simply open up a new thread. If you do choose to open a new thread, open it here in politics and keep it contained and respectful and open minded.**

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500million muslims in asia, is 100% coz of the sword, and sufi influence. In panjab islam spread via sufi influence, but kashmir and south india was 100 million sqwillion % thru the sword. R u tellin me the shaheedis of Guru Arjan Devi ji/Guru Tegh Bahadur/2 smaller Sahibzadas of Guru Gobind Singh/Banda Singh Bahadur/Women n kids of Mir Mannu Jail and countless other shaheeds all fabricated lies? They were ALL tortured and given choices of choosin islam.. or martyrdom, n they all beautifully chose death, and thank GOD!!! All the hindus and buddhist who didnt have the fight within them 2 become matryrs, all converted 2 islam n therefore the numbers grew.

im so thankful my ancestors ensured im born as a son of a sardar. muslims refusal 2 admit their ancestors were raped into islam, is a joke, evry1 knows it.

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500million muslims in asia, is 100% coz of the sword, and sufi influence. In panjab islam spread via sufi influence, but kashmir and south india was 100 million sqwillion % thru the sword. R u tellin me the shaheedis of Guru Arjan Devi ji/Guru Tegh Bahadur/2 smaller Sahibzadas of Guru Gobind Singh/Banda Singh Bahadur/Women n kids of Mir Mannu Jail and countless other shaheeds all fabricated lies? They were ALL tortured and given choices of choosin islam.. or martyrdom, n they all beautifully chose death, and thank GOD!!! All the hindus and buddhist who didnt have the fight within them 2 become matryrs, all converted 2 islam n therefore the numbers grew.

im so thankful my ancestors ensured im born as a son of a sardar. muslims refusal 2 admit their ancestors were raped into islam, is a joke, evry1 knows it.

500 million Muslims in South Asia... In "Asia" , there are well over 1.2 billion Muslims ....Guess what is the largest religion of Asia? Its Islam , Mashallah! :biggrin2:

Anyways , on a serious note , you are wrong. "Sword" can not convert hundred of millions of people...It were Sufi Saints who converted crores and crores of people. Even today , Hindus and Sikhs alike flock to the "Mazaars" of these great men of Allah.... Even here in the United States , Sikhs ALWAYS go to the "Mehfils" (sittings) where people from these darbaars come etc... So it was not sword.

By the way , Killings of your Gurus was a political issue and not a religious one .... Please look into this...Read some books from historians..

Do you think those Mughals really gave a damn about Islam or Muslims living in the sub-continent? They only cared about their power....

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Anyways , on a serious note , you are wrong. "Sword" can not convert hundred of millions of people...It were Sufi Saints who converted crores and crores of people. Even today , Hindus and Sikhs alike flock to the "Mazaars" of these great men of Allah.... Even here in the United States , Sikhs ALWAYS go to the "Mehfils" (sittings) where people from these darbaars come etc... So it was not sword.

I respectfully disagree. I believe that Islam and Christianity were spread by the swords. Sufi Saints aren't even considered "Muslim" by the majority Muslim population. I know many muslims and they all mock sufis. Especially Sunnis. Because they believe that singing and music is Haram which is backed by Islamic Ideology. Can you explain more about these Mazars or Mehfils of the great men of Allah?

The truth is brother, Sufism is not accepted by mainstream Islam. It is considered Shirk and Bi'dah. So how can you claim that sufism is what helped "spread islam."

Islam was spread by the sword and now it is spreading due to reproduction (no offense brother but look at statistics)

http://youtu.be/HDn2EKr5G6c

Brother just some clarification. I am in no way degrading your religion or attempting to insult you. I am just trying to present an argument to your claim.

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