Hindu Dieties In Sggs

[panthicunity]

A hindu friend of mine once remarked SGGS is written in praise of Rama and Krishna - here are two shabads to debunk this myth - first is by bhagat namdev and second by Guru Nanak .

ਆਜੁ ਨਾਮੇ ਬੀਠਲੁ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਮੂਰਖ ਕੋ ਸਮਝਾਊ ਰੇ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Today, Naam Dayv saw the Lord, and so I will instruct the ignorant. ||Pause||

ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਗਾਇਤ੍ਰੀ ਲੋਧੇ ਕਾ ਖੇਤੁ ਖਾਤੀ ਥੀ ॥

O Pandit, O religious scholar, your Gayatri was grazing in the fields.

ਲੈ ਕਰਿ ਠੇਗਾ ਟਗਰੀ ਤੋਰੀ ਲਾਂਗਤ ਲਾਂਗਤ ਜਾਤੀ ਥੀ ॥੧॥

Taking a stick, the farmer broke its leg, and now it walks with a limp. ||1||

ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਮਹਾਦੇਉ ਧਉਲੇ ਬਲਦ ਚੜਿਆ ਆਵਤੁ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਥਾ ॥

O Pandit, I saw your great god Shiva, riding along on a white bull.

ਮੋਦੀ ਕੇ ਘਰ ਖਾਣਾ ਪਾਕਾ ਵਾ ਕਾ ਲੜਕਾ ਮਾਰਿਆ ਥਾ ॥੨॥

In the merchant's house, a banquet was prepared for him - he killed the merchant's son. ||2||

ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਰਾਮਚੰਦੁ ਸੋ ਭੀ ਆਵਤੁ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਥਾ ॥

O Pandit, I saw your Raam Chand coming too

ਰਾਵਨ ਸੇਤੀ ਸਰਬਰ ਹੋਈ ਘਰ ਕੀ ਜੋਇ ਗਵਾਈ ਥੀ ॥੩॥

; he lost his wife, fighting a war against Raawan. ||3||

ਹਿੰਦੂ ਅੰਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਤੁਰਕੂ ਕਾਣਾ ॥

The Hindu is sightless; the Muslim has only one eye.

ਦੁਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਸਿਆਣਾ ॥

The spiritual teacher is wiser than both of them.

ਹਿੰਦੂ ਪੂਜੈ ਦੇਹੁਰਾ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ ਮਸੀਤਿ ॥

The Hindu worships at the temple, the Muslim at the mosque.

ਨਾਮੇ ਸੋਈ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਜਹ ਦੇਹੁਰਾ ਨ ਮਸੀਤਿ ॥੪॥੩॥੭॥

Naam Dayv serves that Lord, who is not limited to either the temple or the mosque. ||4||3||7||

ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥

Aasaa, First Mehl:

ਪਉਣੁ ਉਪਾਇ ਧਰੀ ਸਭ ਧਰਤੀ ਜਲ ਅਗਨੀ ਕਾ ਬੰਧੁ ਕੀਆ ॥

He created the air, and He supports the whole world; he bound water and fire together.

ਅੰਧੁਲੈ ਦਹਸਿਰਿ ਮੂੰਡੁ ਕਟਾਇਆ ਰਾਵਣੁ ਮਾਰਿ ਕਿਆ ਵਡਾ ਭਇਆ ॥੧॥

The blind, ten-headed Raavan had his heads cut off, but what greatness was obtained by killing him? ||1||

ਕਿਆ ਉਪਮਾ ਤੇਰੀ ਆਖੀ ਜਾਇ ॥

What Glories of Yours can be chanted?

ਤੂੰ ਸਰਬੇ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

You are totally pervading everywhere; You love and cherish all. ||1||Pause||

ਜੀਅ ਉਪਾਇ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਹਥਿ ਕੀਨੀ ਕਾਲੀ ਨਥਿ ਕਿਆ ਵਡਾ ਭਇਆ ॥

You created all beings, and You hold the world in Your Hands; what greatness is it to put a ring in the nose of the black cobra, as Krishna did?

ਕਿਸੁ ਤੂੰ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਜੋਰੂ ਕਉਣ ਕਹੀਐ ਸਰਬ ਨਿਰੰਤਰਿ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਆ ॥੨॥

Whose Husband are You? Who is Your wife? You are subtly diffused and pervading in all. ||2||

ਨਾਲਿ ਕੁਟੰਬੁ ਸਾਥਿ ਵਰਦਾਤਾ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਭਾਲਣ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਗਇਆ ॥

Brahma, the bestower of blessings, entered the stem of the lotus, with his relatives, to find the extent of the universe.

ਆਗੈ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਕੰਸੁ ਛੇਦਿ ਕਿਆ ਵਡਾ ਭਇਆ ॥੩॥

Proceeding on, he could not find its limits; what glory was obtained by killing Kansa, the king? ||3||

ਰਤਨ ਉਪਾਇ ਧਰੇ ਖੀਰੁ ਮਥਿਆ ਹੋਰਿ ਭਖਲਾਏ ਜਿ ਅਸੀ ਕੀਆ ॥

The jewels were produced and brought forth by churning the ocean of milk. The other gods proclaimed "We are the ones who did this!"

Further there are other sloks like

"Devi deva poojiye kya mango kya dey"

"thakur chor cheri ko dhyave"

Here is another shabad by bhagat namdev again

ਭੈਰਉ ਭੂਤ ਸੀਤਲਾ ਧਾਵੈ ॥

One who chases after the god Bhairau, evil spirits and the goddess of smallpox,

ਖਰ ਬਾਹਨੁ ਉਹੁ ਛਾਰੁ ਉਡਾਵੈ ॥੧॥

is riding on a donkey, kicking up the dust. ||1||

ਹਉ ਤਉ ਏਕੁ ਰਮਈਆ ਲੈਹਉ ॥

I take only the Name of the One Lord.

ਆਨ ਦੇਵ ਬਦਲਾਵਨਿ ਦੈਹਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

I have given away all other gods in exchange for Him. ||1||Pause||

ਸਿਵ ਸਿਵ ਕਰਤੇ ਜੋ ਨਰੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥

That man who chants “Shiva, Shiva“, and meditates on him,

ਬਰਦ ਚਢੇ ਡਉਰੂ ਢਮਕਾਵੈ ॥੨॥

is riding on a bull, shaking a tambourine. ||2||

ਮਹਾ ਮਾਈ ਕੀ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰੈ ॥

One who worships the Great Goddess Maya

ਨਰ ਸੈ ਨਾਰਿ ਹੋਇ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥੩॥

will be reincarnated as a woman, and not a man. ||3||

ਤੂ ਕਹੀਅਤ ਹੀ ਆਦਿ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥

You are called the Primal Goddess.

ਮੁਕਤਿ ਕੀ ਬਰੀਆ ਕਹਾ ਛਪਾਨੀ ॥੪॥

At the time of liberation, where will you hide then? ||4||

ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਗਹੁ ਮੀਤਾ ॥

Follow the Guru's Teachings, and hold tight to the Lord's Name, O friend.

ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਨਾਮਾ ਇਉ ਕਹੈ ਗੀਤਾ ॥੫॥੨॥੬॥

Thus prays Naam Dayv, and so says the Gita as well. ||5||2||6||

[Not2Cool2Argue]

There are many more shabads against Devi/Devtay in the Dasam Granth as well.

[panthicunity]

can you quote some ? I am focusing my study on SGGS only ......would like to know DG's take on this topic .

[ladli-fauj]

when we read Guru Granth Sahib, Sri Dasam Guru Granth we are looking through gurmat not hindu matt or so on, hindu math looks at kaal de jeev as akaal....kaal vich rehndeya rehndeya manukh kaal nu akaal samaj behta-----in gurmat hindu dieties are described as being played out by no other than god, the lord, who maifests in all--if all like guru granth sahib explains and Sri Dasam then there is so second higher jeev as in dieties, even they are being played out by GOD---like in movie ramayan the first one, they only had 1 person to play raam and not another to play raavan so the person who decided to play raam also played raavan, same thing in reality god is playing every1 but its always hard to say our ''enemy'' or the other is also God---when looking through gurmat we look at the devte differently-explain that to him, other religions pose god as only their own as well as their dieites, not in sikhi

[JasSinghKhalsa]

Some more ...

Ram Gayo Raavan gayo, ja ko bahu parivaar, kaho Nanak kich thir nahin, supne jeho sansaar (Naven Mahale de salok)

Eka Maayi Jugat Veyayi, Teen chele Parvaan, Ik sansaari, Ik bhandaari, Ik laaye dibaan (Japji Sahib).

Ek Raam Dasrath ka beta, ek Raam ghat ghat mein basta (will found out shortly which Sloka).

Panchali ko Raaj Sabha mein Raam Naam sudh aayi . (Panchali remembered Raam, which is not even of that age, so which Raam she remembered)? Sri Raam Chandra Jee (son of Raja Dasaath)?

Most impportant - RAAM JAPO JI AISE AISE, DHRU PRAHLAD JAPEYO HAR JAISE.

- DHRU PRAHLAD WERE BORN MUCH MUCH BEFORE SRI RAAM CHANDRA JEE, so did Dhru Prahlad worship Sri Raam Chandra Jee who were born centuries later than DHRU PRAHLAD? NO. So, this is different RAAM and not Sri Raam Chandra Jee.

Quote - Dasam Granth Sahib -

Mai na Ganeshah(i) pritham manaaoon|| Kishan Bishan kab-hoon nah dhiaaoon|| Kaan sune paihchaan na tin son|| Liv laagimoripag in son||434||

Swayiye Sahib - Brahma Mahesar Bisan Sachipat Ant phase jam phaas parenge. Jo Nar sri pat ke pras hain pag te nar pher naan deh dharange.

(Raam and Krishna are considered avatars of Bisan (Vishnu), and Guru Jee says even Vishnu comes under the cycle of Jam (KAAL)).

Even Vedas don't praise any human being such as Raam/Krishna - although I don't agree with this person lots of times, but this video is quite good.