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Jathedar Baba Hanuman Singh Ji Shaheed Fresco of Baba Hanuman Singh Ji at Gurdwara Baba Atal Rai, Amritsar Akaali Baba Hanuman Singh Ji, The 7th leader of the Budha Dal, was born to Baba Garja Sin

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You aren't a Nihang based on what kind you classify yourself as, but by the actions you do. True Sant Sipahi and Akali. Just like his forefathers like Baba Hanuman Singh ji , Baba Deep Singh ji, Akal

Isn't it right to say he was the caretaker or leader of Misl Shaheedan, not Budha Dal. I don't think it was called Budha Dal then although Budha Dal came from Misl Shaheedan, just like Damdami Taksal wasn't called that then either.

Oh man, what I'd give to travel back in time.

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Isn't it right to say he was the caretaker or leader of Misl Shaheedan, not Budha Dal. I don't think it was called Budha Dal then although Budha Dal came from Misl Shaheedan, just like Damdami Taksal wasn't called that then either.

Oh man, what I'd give to travel back in time.

Dal panth was seperated into two groups...Tarnal Dal and Bhudda dal...bhudda dal was essentially the governing body and all dals/battalions accepted their authority... Baba Hanuman Singh ji was jathedar of the Bhudda Dal...he was jathedar of the whole panth at one time...following the jathedari of akaali phoola singh...its a shame the average sikh doesnt even know who he was ...

All misls were Tarna Dal and Tarna dal fell under Bhudda Dal's control...Misl Shaheedan was the dal of Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji who was a jathedar within Tarna Dal... Modern day Taksalis are basically an offshoot of Tarna Dal Misl Shaheedan..at one time they were one and the same...

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They were Hindu advisors that the Akalis loathed because they knew their colors. They brain washed MRS into doing a lot of bad things and making horrible decisions that contributed to the fall of the Sikh empire. There are medical reports of after MRS's death many honest GurSikhs of the court were assassinated at night time. The Nihangs actually tried to assassinate MRS once because they saw what was happening as they were very intelligent and had pure jeevans.

A few of the first things these traitors did after the close fall of the empire was steal from the Khalsa treasury and buy land in Kashmir.

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The British army and their Sikh stooges opened up cannon fire on the Sikhs. 15,000 Sikhs attained martyrdom at the spot where Gurdwara Dukh Niwaran now stands in the district of Patiala. Budha Dal oral tradition states that 32,000 Singhs became shaheed during this battle.

Is there anything at Gurdwara Dukh Niwaran Sahib to commemorate this? Thats alsmost as manySikhs that died in Wadda Ghallughara.

If the Buddha Dal account is more accurate, then thats thats even more Sikhs dying than the Wadda Ghallughara.

KGM, Do you have any dates or months for this battle, at least we could commemorate this event in the calendar month?

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People do come up with fantasy stories especially when it concerns Nihangs. The reasons given for the murderous assault on Maharja Ranjit Singh was due to his allowing the British representatives to enter Punjab. If the Nihangs were so far sighted then why did they not assassinate the Dogras? It was the Lahore army which killed Hira Singh Dogra. The story about Sham Singh Attariwala appears to be an attempt to brush some of the glory of Sham Singh onto Hanuman Singh. Sham Singh had been a great general of the Khalsa army, he was a Jagirdar who would have paid for and supplied a jagirdari contingent to the Khalsa army so he was not exactly without an army as the account claims.

The deaths of 15,000 Nihangs at Patiala might have a basis in a minor skirmish between Nihangs and the Patiala Maharaja but really, 15,000 deaths are more than the number that the Khalsa army lost at Sabraon. If Nihang accounts claim that the number was 30,000 then this just shows how fantasy stories are created and then lose even the minor relationship thay they might have had with reality.

I'd like to point out just because modern nihangs are making up things about Akalis of old, it doesnt take away from Akalis like Baba Hanuman Singh and Baba Phoola Singh.

As for the assassination would it not be right to say it was an accumulation of decisions made by MRS? Not sure though. Where do you usually read your history pertaining to this subject ?

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As for the assassination attempt on Maharja Ranjit Singh, a British traveller, I forget who mentions at attempt while he was in the Maharaja's camp. In the attempt the Nihang had stuck the guard with a sword and cut off his nose. The Maharaja, I think then order the Nihang's nose to be cut as well as his ears.

British sources could be biased as for the reasons for the attack. I would imagine they would be arrogant and try to paint the Nihang Singhs in as much of a demonic way possible.

I agree with you on the rest, figures have probably been exaggerated. Any specific books you all would recommend to read about Sikh history from 1700s-Sikh Raj-Fall of Sikh Empire??

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People do come up with fantasy stories especially when it concerns Nihangs. The reasons given for the murderous assault on Maharja Ranjit Singh was due to his allowing the British representatives to enter Punjab. If the Nihangs were so far sighted then why did they not assassinate the Dogras? It was the Lahore army which killed Hira Singh Dogra. The story about Sham Singh Attariwala appears to be an attempt to brush some of the glory of Sham Singh onto Hanuman Singh. Sham Singh had been a great general of the Khalsa army, he was a Jagirdar who would have paid for and supplied a jagirdari contingent to the Khalsa army so he was not exactly without an army as the account claims.

The deaths of 15,000 Nihangs at Patiala might have a basis in a minor skirmish between Nihangs and the Patiala Maharaja but really, 15,000 deaths are more than the number that the Khalsa army lost at Sabraon. If Nihang accounts claim that the number was 30,000 then this just shows how fantasy stories are created and then lose even the minor relationship thay they might have had with reality.

As for the shoot on sight order against Nihangs this appear to be another fantasy. The British were not exactly shy of committing atrocities but there is no record of a shoot on sight order or even records of atrocities committed against Nihangs. Only a decade later the British committed many atrocities against the mutineers even destroying entire villages where British civilians had been murdered and those records are there for all to see.

Didnt i tell you to get yourself sorted out...your blatant hatred and dislike for nihangs is unhealthy...i suggest you see a doctor about it

if you call this a lie....please tell me how a akaali fauj numbering in the tens of thousands dwindled to low as a few hundred nihangs in the space of a few decades...if they were not hunted down and persecuted...please tell me how they become a powerful force to facing extinction....

read coloner steinbachs account on nihaangs and how he loathed them and wished for their extinction...what do you think he told the british to do when he switched sides?...practically all accounts written in that time frame from westerners is of dislike for the akaalis...they were hated because they were the only group who would not tolerate the firangi...

This was an honest post about the memeory of jathedar baba hanuman singh ji...and you have to come on here in an attempt to destroy his legacy and put his name in the mud...clear off if you have nothing positive to say

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Is there anything at Gurdwara Dukh Niwaran Sahib to commemorate this? Thats alsmost as manySikhs that died in Wadda Ghallughara.

If the Buddha Dal account is more accurate, then thats thats even more Sikhs dying than the Wadda Ghallughara.

KGM, Do you have any dates or months for this battle, at least we could commemorate this event in the calendar month?

Veer i will trying finding out the date from a few singhs...From what i know it is acknowledged and commemorated in the calendar year of the dal...but not outside the dal...most likely because people dont know...and the ones who do know... for beliefs and jathebandi reasons dont want to acknowledge and accept shaheedi of akaalis

A question was actually put forward that the remains should be dug up and cremated...i have no idea if there will be an attempt to retrieve the remains...but i hope there is...atleast then the shaheedi of these singhs can be proven and a memorial can be set up

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British sources could be biased as for the reasons for the attack. I would imagine they would be arrogant and try to paint the Nihang Singhs in as much of a demonic way possible.

I agree with you on the rest, figures have probably been exaggerated. Any specific books you all would recommend to read about Sikh history from 1700s-Sikh Raj-Fall of Sikh Empire??

Best books are probably by Hari Ram Gupta who wrote History of the Sikhs and Surjit Singh Gandhi 'Struggle of the Sikhs for sovereignity' and 'Sikhs in the eighteenth century'. There are lot of books written by British travellers and officials during the 19th century but you need to be weary of the bias

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