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If we compare this to the point in history, when Sardar Jassa Singh Ramgarhia was excommunicated frmn the Panth, over a transgression, even thought he went to to the point of allying with the oppressive govt forces, when he realised his mistake, and asked for forgiveness then the Panth forgave him and accepted him back in to the Panth.

Baba Santa Singh did gadari, but we have to accept that he was accepted back into the Panth.

My contention was about him being a Mahapurush. As far as I know no even the most ardent Ramgarhia would claim that Jassa Singh Ramgarhia was a Mahanpurush.

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It was in the interest of the British to allow a more pacifist softer controllable element of Sikhs to be in control of Sikh institutions, in not referring to the removal of mahants prior to the Sikh Gurdwaras act, this was undoubtedly a good thing. I'm referring to what happened afterwards with the sgpc framework, corrupt electoral systems, sgpc being under government control. The prior mentioned loss of Sikh traditional martial heritage etc..All this happened under the Singh Sabha SgPc watch ..under British influence basically they sought to bring into existence a pacifist controllable brand of Sikhi. There's a reason why traditionally Buddha dal jathedars were also jathedars of akal takht,

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It was in the interest of the British to allow a more pacifist softer controllable element of Sikhs to be in control of Sikh institutions, in not referring to the removal of mahants prior to the Sikh Gurdwaras act, this was undoubtedly a good thing. I'm referring to what happened afterwards with the sgpc framework, corrupt electoral systems, sgpc being under government control. The prior mentioned loss of Sikh traditional martial heritage etc..All this happened under the Singh Sabha SgPc watch ..under British influence basically they sought to bring into existence a pacifist controllable brand of Sikhi. There's a reason why traditionally Buddha dal jathedars were also jathedars of akal takht,

While this is true, we shouldn't start siding with either sides. I think we should come to a middle ground and accept that Singh Sabha Movement was partly influenced by Britishers, the extent to which can be argued.

What we can draw a general consensus on is the current system is flawed and we need to take back Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib and SGPC and hand it back to the Sikh Panth. The problem is that are we, as a Sikh Panth collective ready to take it back?

We need more prem and unity/ekta.

Aj kal je koi dooje jathebandi da Singh dekhe, aam lohk fateh vi ni balounde. Sad state of affairs. Jathebandis aren't different religions or sects.

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I've heard about only Akaal Takhat Sahib being the only Takhat Sahib originally as well and it's most likely true. We mention Sarbat Khalsa in Ardas.

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Akal Takht was the only Takht during the times of the Gurus and well into the 19th Century. So the claim that Budha Dal that they are the Panjvan Takht is of recent vintage probably going back to the 1920s. You can only be a Panjvan Takht when there are four already accepted Takhts. Now if the Budha Dal claimed to be a Doosra or Dooja Takht then that would imply that their claim could go back to when Budha Dal came into existence in 1730s.

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Akal Takht was the only Takht during the times of the Gurus and well into the 19th Century. So the claim that Budha Dal that they are the Panjvan Takht is of recent vintage probably going back to the 1920s. You can only be a Panjvan Takht when there are four already accepted Takhts. Now if the Budha Dal claimed to be a Doosra or Dooja Takht then that would imply that their claim could go back to when Budha Dal came into existence in 1730s.

The reason i personally don't beleive that the Jathedar of Budha Dal automatically is the Jathedar of Sri Akhal Takhat Sahib is becuase Bhai Mani Singh was both the Head Granthi & Sri Akal Takhat Sahib Jathedar and he was not and has never been the Jathedar of Budha Dal. So even though Akali Phula Singh was Jathedar but as prior to him, Bhai Mani Singh was too the Jathedar shows that Budha Dal's Jathedars don't automatically assume the role of the Jathedar of Sri Akal Takhat Sahib.

I don't accept Budha Dal being the Panjva Takhat. Up until 1966, there was only 4 takhats (Damdama Sahib became the 5th in 1966), so with only 4 Takhats, the Fifth Takhat was the Khalsa Panth and not solely Budha Dal

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The point is not that budha dal jathedars were automatically akal takht jathedars. This is not the case. But in a lot of cases the akal takht jathedar and Buddha dal jathedar were the same Peron, why ? Because they are most strict in rehit,they live and die for puratan maryada there is no acceptance of deviation or change to puratan maryada. This is why the British with the help of singh sabhian sympathisers sought to remove the influence of Buddha dal within the panth following the Anglo Sikh wars. Compare Punjab gurdwaras to takht sri hazur sahib and you'll see some of the changes and corruption of puratan maryada that has taken place.

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The point is not that budha dal jathedars were automatically akal takht jathedars. This is not the case. But in a lot of cases the akal takht jathedar and Buddha dal jathedar were the same Peron, why ? Because they are most strict in rehit,they live and die for puratan maryada there is no acceptance of deviation or change to puratan maryada. This is why the British with the help of singh sabhian sympathisers sought to remove the influence of Buddha dal within the panth following the Anglo Sikh wars. Compare Punjab gurdwaras to takht sri hazur sahib and you'll see some of the changes and corruption of puratan maryada that has taken place.

One question Cisco Singh...in your opinion, does Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale come under the puratan maryada side or the Singh Sabha side?

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