Jagat Singh (Jagga Daku)...

[Singh559]

Good discussion. It's important that average Punjabis who don't know much about Punjabi let alone their own history and listen to modern music to know what is being discussed here.

Without understanding this crucial period's history from different perspectives we're lost and can't empower ourselves to help ourselves for the future.

[Singh559]

This music that told of Sikh ithihaas and bahadari of Soorme of past invoked inquilaabi spirit of the Panth and average Punjabi (even non-Sikhs). It hit the average person right in their hearts.

That's why the indian media is bent on corrupting the music industry and thus corrupting the youth from awakening from their slumber. Bollywood, punjabi movies and "punjabi" music that is played now a days.

[RebelSingh]

....whats all this "hurr hurr" business it all over the place, what it mean ?

hurrrr is an old phrase 2 control ox's/bullocks n other bigger animals, and burrrrrah, is used 2 control goats

[KhalistaniGunMan]

hurrrr is an old phrase 2 control ox's/bullocks n other bigger animals, and burrrrrah, is used 2 control goats

yh i have been told this before too

[Not2Cool2Argue]

There is a book written on this "Tega Singh" by Master Tara Singh. in the introduction he says it is based on a true story. A young boy joins the cavalry(Korh-Charre) in Maharaja Ranjit Singh's army. Then comes the famous last stand with Shaam Singh Attari, then an emotional part when the British force all Sikh soldiers to hand in their talwaars/kirpaans. Tega Singh is disgusted and go through with and runs away to become an outlaw and eventually a daku. He meets other ex Sikh soldiers as daku's.

Tara Singh wrote this book to preserve the personal stories of the elders in his village. I think it was written during the British Raj.

If Sikhs had the best horses, and were the best horseriders, why would their cavalry be the worst?

[KhalistaniGunMan]

There is a book written on this "Tega Singh" by Master Tara Singh. in the introduction he says it is based on a true story. A young boy joins the cavalry(Korh-Charre) in Maharaja Ranjit Singh's army. Then comes the famous last stand with Shaam Singh Attari, then an emotional part when the British force all Sikh soldiers to hand in their talwaars/kirpaans. Tega Singh is disgusted and go through with and runs away to become an outlaw and eventually a daku. He meets other ex Sikh soldiers as daku's.

Tara Singh wrote this book to preserve the personal stories of the elders in his village. I think it was written during the British Raj.

If Sikhs had the best horses, and were the best horseriders, why would their cavalry be the worst?

actually nearly all accounts ive read from that time period describe the standard of horse used by singhs as low...you have to understand singhs were masters of guerilla warfare...hit and run tactics....so when the kingdom started training a conventional army based on european standard...the infantry and artillery was given priority early on..the cavalry was ignored for a long time...with sikhs relying on the irregular gorcharra cavalry or on the cavalry of the jagirdars ...even though the sikhs did have lancers trained in european cavalry discipline...they were being trained too late...they were too few in number...so by the time we started the war with the bitish..our cavalry could not match theirs...it was a irregular, ill equipped, ill disciplined cavalry..who knew only how to hit and then run....you can never match top quality cavalry of that time..especially the well trained, well equipped cavalry of the british with such tactics...which is why the infantry and artillerry were primarily used in the battles against british...with cavalry only being used defensively to cover flanks...to scout....or to cut down wounded and retreating troops

our infantry was probably equally on par with that of the british...both well equipped and both well disciplined..but our artillery outmatched that of the bitish...which they even admitted...our cannon outnumbered theirs...and they were also more powerful and bigger..our artillerymen were all above 6ft, well muscular...a british officer described them as being beasts...who would protect the cannon till the end with such ferocity...the rate of our cannon was also higher which only demonstrates good training...at the battle of mudki the british at first were so thoroughly defeated that they began burning up important document and were preparing for unconditional surrender...but our general was bought...and failed to attack...allowing enough time for british to retreat...after that it all went down hill with the exception chillianwala jung

[Hammertime007]

A lot of singers sang songs during that time which they labelled as referring to "historical events" but everyone knew what they were singing about.

This song by Hans almost got him killed by the police. Hans said that it was in respect to the Shaheeds during the mughal raaj. But come on, listen to the song and you know exactly who he's referencing (KPS & Beanta)

Singers like Jazzy Bains and Hans’s wont Sing bout Khalistan or pro karkoos directly like you say it will be done in-directly.

The reason being no Indian record label would release a pro kharkoo/84/khlaistan songs.

However Jb was booked at recent wedding, it was the grandson of a famous uk Khlaistani infact one of the first from the 70s (who set up a khlaistan radio station in the 70s in Pakistan) Jb was singing “Khalistani Morja kare tha hai!

Heres a song bout 84 by jb not direct again, l love the lines from 1:28 – 1:56

[RebelSingh]

Singers like Jazzy Bains and Hans’s wont Sing bout Khalistan or pro karkoos directly like you say it will be done in-directly.

The reason being no Indian record label would release a pro kharkoo/84/khlaistan songs.

However Jb was booked at recent wedding, it was the grandson of a famous uk Khlaistani infact one of the first from the 70s (who set up a khlaistan radio station in the 70s in Pakistan) Jb was singing “Khalistani Morja kare tha hai!

Heres a song bout 84 by jb not direct again, l love the lines from 1:28 – 1:56

yea i like that track, btw who was the famous khalistani u were referin 2, and where was he from in uk, is stil alive now?

angrez ali, a panjabi bhangra singer, who grew up in gurdwara surroundings, used 2 sing khalistan songs, heres 1, which i love, hopefully he releases it! this was sung by him, @ the heights of the kharkoo movement

watch from 3:10 onwards

[RebelSingh]

our artillerymen were all above 6ft, well muscular...a british officer described them as being beasts...who would protect the cannon till the end with such ferocity...the rate of our cannon was also higher which only demonstrates good training...at the battle of mudki the british at first were so thoroughly defeated that they began burning up important document and were preparing for unconditional surrender...but our general was bought...and failed to attack...allowing enough time for british to retreat...after that it all went down hill with the exception chillianwala jung

bro regardin the cannons, theres a famous quote from rudyard kipling, in his book "kim", "Who hold Zam-Zammah, that 'fire-breathing dragon', hold the Punjab, for the great green-bronze piece is always first of the conqueror's loot."

is this the cannons u were referrin 2, coz i have no knowledge regardin the puratan weapons/cavalry or watever u guys been sayin, interestin read tho, safe.

[RebelSingh]

since we r uploadin khalistani tracks, heres a video by babbu maan, not necesarily about khalistan, but certainly about the killings of sons of panjab by the dirty govt/panjab police.

NOTE: song i s very sad and upsettin (well i think it is)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdtUdgo7Gms

also heres a kuldeep manak song, duno if its about khalistan movement, but it cud b interpreted as being so.