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its a very deep subject you touched on veer ji and it is very good for ones spiritual journey... we have free will....we can do whatever we want so to speak.. the hukam is we reap what we sow...so if we do bad we will get bad.. if we do good we will get good..

the HUKHAM of parmatma is we reap what we sow.. there is no way in law of the universe/god that we can do very bad and get good and vice versa..when we live a happy life so to speak its easy to do good karm and be a good person.. but when we have bad karm to go through its easy to to bad things....thats when guru nanak says "Hukum Rajai Chalna Nanak Likhia Naal".. because guru nanak is saying its easy to to bad things in bad karm therefore increasing bad karm, but you must be strong and not do further bad in your bad karm and " Hukum Rajai Chalna Nanak Likhia Naal"...the HUKHAM is we reap what we sow, so what is going through our lives is our won actions reacting...so if we do bad we cannot in any way avoid its reactions.. its hukham

lets be honest in kalyug no one questions god when things are good but we question god when things go bad....thats where you reap what you sow and "Hukum Rajai Chalna Nanak Likhia Naal" comes into mind... becasue when things are bad we go deep in our heart but when things are good we enjoy maya via mind.

i may have confused myself writing what i have..lol.. its a very complex subject i think one really needs to reflect their own experiance to maharaj..very intricate subject . it also comes to simple understanding and how to implement those good simple ways of living in our lives especially in bad karm times...

lets be honest its easy being good when you have a rich/comfortable life but the opposite of that is its also easy to indulge in bad maya activities with money....

SORRY GUYS- just wanted to edit.. this is no way an answer to the questions which is soo deep but hopefully a way towards the answer (or something to contemplate on), which we may not get towards in physical writing but in our own hearts understand the answer...i wish that for everbody.. :biggrin2:

Edited by pratannanak

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consciousness can you please identify your source for the article as it is a fantastic read

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As sikhs, we should not be worrying about karma or past lives..etc..

Gurbani is for Here and Now- this very jeevan. This life that your living right now.

We should be concerned for doing better than good deeds so that one can rise above the confines of karma that are only in proportion to our ''aana jaanaa' (our coming and goings).

Sikhs do not worry about karma or why they are given a bad deal in this life, they accept it as hukam.

Only the hindu way of life advises them to do good so that they get a better deal in their next life.

For us Sikhs, we are to live by the gurbani so that there is no next life, we are to rise above these very confines.

Hope that makes a little sense.

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Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

This is not a complex topic.

On the other hand, you can only reach Vaheguru in this life if your actions were good in your previous life.

Who says that? Karmi Aave Kapra, Nadri Mokh Duar- Japji sahib. The fact that you have this human life form means that you have an opportunity to be able to reach God. Your past life's actions or even your present life's actions does not guarantree or exluclude you from reaching God, but it certainly was good enough to put you in this position where you are contemplating Gurbani and thinking about God.

Yes, along the way you may have to pay for your past actions and living a Gursikhi jeevan and always remembering God can negate this to some extent. Furthermore do not forget that God/ can wipe out sins in seconds if he is pleased with your devotion.

Finally, we cannot understand how hukam works, "hukam is by His hukam". hukam does not mean 'order', nor does it mean everything it destined and nothing can be changed. It is more complex than that. I suggest not worrying about hukam at this point, it will become clearer at a different level I'm sure. Do simran.

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(Ignore above post, I can't edit for some reason). Updated version below:

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

This is not a complex topic.

On the other hand, you can only reach Vaheguru in this life if your actions were good in your previous life.

Who says that? Karmi Aave Kapra, Nadri Mokh Duar- Japji sahib. The fact that you have this human life form means that you have an opportunity to be able to reach God. Your past life's actions or even your present life's actions does not guarantree or exclude you from reaching God, but it certainly was good enough to put you in this position where you are contemplating Gurbani and thinking about God. It's essentially irrelevant to think about past life actions. If you have to pay for past actions in this life, you will. It may be argued that living a Gursikhi jeevan and always remembering God can negate 'bad karm'. Furthermore do not forget that God/ can wipe out sins in seconds if he is pleased with your devotion. As per hukam we just leave it to God, so it's pointless thinking about any past karma, it is indeed a moot discussion/academic debate which is really pointless, because we cannot define karm or hukam or anything else, our feeble minds know nothing. We like to define and describe but even sants will tell you it's very complex to put into words.

So just Focus on Sikhi and you're good to go!

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On ‎8‎/‎30‎/‎2012 at 1:25 AM, GamerSingh said:

In Sikhism, one's ultimate goal is to become one with waheguru sache patshah during this human life and achieve mukti from the cycle of rebirth. By attaching ourselves to naam, we achieve this goal.

This coincides with another Sikh belief that you reap what you sow. Whatever one has done in their previous life, effects them in their present life (whether positively or negatively). This is essentially the concept of karma.

Now, this is where God's hukam comes in. In Gurbani, it is stated that one can only obtain naam by Waheguru's grace and whatever happens is in order with Waheguru's hukam. In a sense, a person can only reach Waheguru if this is what Waheguru wishes, otherwise, a person is lost in the world of maya.

On the other hand, you can only reach Vaheguru in this life if your actions were good in your previous life. However, if in your previous life, it was not ordained that you did good deeds and prayed on god's name, and thus, in your present life, you are stuck with bad karma, how is this the person's fault?

I'm missing something here as Gurbani always has an answer - I was just hoping someone knows where in Gurbani lies the answer to this. I would also like whether or not the concept of karma itself exists in Sikhism or if it is something kathavachiks mixed in from Hinduism.

I'm hoping someone can help me out with this because I am seriously confused.

Sorry for like 7 year old reply. Searched "Paradox" n landed here.

Thing with doing Naam Jaap, your karma reduce down drastically. A few bumps n grinds in yer jivan will take place.

Gurbani tells us to have faith in Guru Ji, benefits of Naam Jap and Karma d nasht ho jande aa.

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