How Sikhs explain this?

[confusedsengh]

Why not practice ones faith and stop questioning others? God is one for all the more time spent doing naam simran and seva the better leave out the "my religions better then yours" cr*p.

[SunSingh]

humans have enzymes specifically designed to digest protein. just b/c they are designed to digest protein doesn't mean that it's for meat protein, there are proteins in vegetables too. Gorillas are herbivorous and also have canines.

[panther]

Ok so I was once told by my Sikh friend that hairs are gift of God..God doesn't give you anything for no reason...right? So why you cut the hairs? etc...Well I was thinking about it...

It's true the human body was naturally created with hair and a foreskin. Those that believe Allah does not make stupid mistakes choose to keep their hair and foreskin as a sign of there submission to Allah. Those like Muhammad who were fashion conscious and had an ego decided to shave there upper lip as it was a fashion trend like the Muslim in the video

but then it suddenly struck me that this argument nullifies vegetarian thought...Well see , we all have studied biology here (atleast I hope ! lol) ... Our human body is made to be omnivorous ! We have canines in our buccal cavity...their sole purpose is to break the meat...our digestive system is "designed" to digest meat..we have different acids SPECIFICALLY for digestion of the meat... So why would God give us all these things , if he had wanted us to eat Vegetarian only? Remember , God never gives us anything for no reason..right?

Best answered by proactive above but should humans be allowed to eat other humans they kill because we have the biological ability to digest other humans which presumably Allah gave us. Anyways i thought Islam did not belive in Evolution or Dinosaurs and claimed that Adam was born around 6,000 years ago according to the ancestry of the Qureshi caste traced back to Adam via Ishmael that Muhammad accepted. Basically Muhammad and Islam believe in the Bible's theory of how humans appeared supposedly 6,000 years ago with Adam & Eve near Israel rather than where all the world's scientists say

Isn't it a contradiction in Sikhism?

Thanks!

proactive clearly explained that no contradiction but in the meantime could u explain the contradictions listed below

**MOD EDIT** Don't copy paste the various contradictions in Islam. If you want to, you can start a new topic and mention specifics. Copy pasting doesn't achieve a debate. Leave this out of the intellectual thread please. Thanks.

[Auzer]

I thought this was supposed to be "intellectual discussion" thread? Most of the reactions I see here are knee-<banned word filter activated> childish reactions..Smh ....

Auzer Ji, you are too quick to try and point out contradictions in Sikhi when there are so many unanswered questions in Islam. Explain these first before you start on other religions.

I'm not "trying" to point of contradictions in Sikhi .. Just asked a question and wanted to see how Sikhs see this issue...

Regarding rest of your post...it is just childish gibberish....All of the things you mentioned aren't in Islamic doctrine..Most of the things are just from "Sub-continent" (Like wearing sharwar above ankle) etc .......but whatever.....You don't need to bring Islam in everything...Get over with your inferiority-complex regarding Islam....

Did I ever make any comparison of Sikhism with Islam? There's a reason... You can't compare the two faiths...Just like you can't compare India with China........

By the way Auzer...

Discussing Sikhi with a Muslim who isn't really a jigyasu (seeker), but only out to find faults under the garb of discussions/debates

What a retarded post from you. How can you judge me? I sincerely had this question in mind....hence I asked it..I don't need to find "faults" in other faiths...specially faiths like Sikhism.

It is people suffering from inferiority-complex with respect to Islam who do that...See the Sikh members here who ALWAYS bring Islam in....Whereas , I NEVER even wrote the word "Islam" throughout my posts....I only talked about Islam when SIKH members here posted crap WITHOUT any provocation..I just replied...

We all know who's trying to find faults in who's religion ....

Islam (specifically non-Sufism) doesn't teach Naam Simran (repeated recitation of the Divine Name) which is the base of Sikhi,

LOL. So this is the level of your 'knowledge' regarding Islam? You don't know about Dhikar/Zikar ? Even <Edited>-ISLAM has "Dhikar" in its doctrine..

So better you all come out of your inferiority-complex and stop bringing Islam in everything....

[panther]

Ok Auzer bro let's brush Islam's contradictions under the carpet

+ how about u teach us in this intellectual section a comparison of women's rights in Sikhi as compared to Islam?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-JaFagZ3xU

Also bro inferiority complex refers to when peeps think they are inferior to sombody or something.

I assure u that all those don't believe in circumcision and Muhammad-ism do not feel there belief systems are in any way inferior to Islam

**MOD NOTE**

PANTHER- If you want to debate Islamic practices, then merely make a thread and ask why does Islam do this or why do they do that. See how not many can reply to what you're saying? That's because you keep repeating yourself.

I'm not saying what you're copy pasting isn't true, but at least be specific and objective. Make a new thread if you want to post it.

[panther]

Ok Mod Veer Ji, i suppose i get too hot headed when i feel that Sikhi is being challenged. Sorry

But it would be cool to know what all the members think about dinosaurs and women's rights in different faiths

[Only five]

Well too much political talk...lets get to point....

Ok so I was once told by my Sikh friend that hairs are gift of God..God doesn't give you anything for no reason...right? So why you cut the hairs? etc...Well I was thinking about it...but then it suddenly struck me that this argument nullifies vegetarian thought...Well see , we all have studied biology here (atleast I hope ! lol) ... Our human body is made to be omnivorous ! We have canines in our buccal cavity...their sole purpose is to break the meat...our digestive system is "designed" to digest meat..we have different acids SPECIFICALLY for digestion of the meat... So why would God give us all these things , if he had wanted us to eat Vegetarian only? Remember , God never gives us anything for no reason..right?

Isn't it a contradiction in Sikhism?

Thanks!

Explain to us how Sikhs use their uncut hair? One blind man said to another man who was blind and deaf, i'm going to hit you if you don't stop hitting me with your cane. The man who was blind and deaf was feeling a tune with hitting his cane against something. The man who was deaf and blind gets up and hits the blind man across the face with is cane. The blind man yells.............help im being attacked!!!! Such is the state of something people............

[panther]

mitt romney once said that dinosaurs were a Tv hoax by peeps who just wanted to diss the Abrahamic faiths

(and the words of god, joseph smith, jesus, moses, muhammad + abraham couldn't all be totally wrong)

[Mehtab Singh]

Look here you sick example of an arrogant convert-seeking loser out to wage his cyber-Jihad on Sikhs...a.k.a Auzer

Don't ignore my condition to discuss Sikhi by calling it retarded. Dhikr/Zikr is again Sufism, not mainstream Islam. One of my best friends was a Sufi and a regular practitioner of Zikr, and would in fact do "muraqbah", which I only later found out was the same as what Sikhs call Naam Abhiyaas (go read some books by Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh ji). So quit lecturing me on how mainstream Islam preaches Zikr, it doesn't, although Sufism (the condemned shade of Islam as per mainstream fundamentalists) does.

Did I burst your bubble? Are you waking up to the fact that you were following something wrong all along? And mark my words, I am not under any inferiority complex, not from some random convert-seeker like yourself. YOU are the one coming on a Sikh forum acting all scholarly and doesn't even possess a clear info on his own faith. Or did you read the wrong set of books this time? Don't keep whining again and again about "I never talked about Islam", "I never brought Islam into the discussion". You're not the first Muslim coming on here with proselytizing intentions. There have been scores like you under different disguises in the past. All met their fate ultimately, and your time is coming sooner than you can imagine.

Did you bother reading any of the links I sent earlier? I started an entire thread with links for you to break your head over, you done already? Here it is: http://www.sikhsanga...__fromsearch__1 . I know you love to read but even you can't read that much material in a few hours. You seem to have some sort of superiority complex (or rather paranoia) about being "well-read" it seems. Were you raised to believe that all Sikhs are illiterate fools? Because I've seen this trait in many Paki-Punjabis, even though they never made it past high school themselves. Every now and then it reflects in your posts "we have all studied biology, well I hope lol". Who you think you are?Pakistani version of Einstein?

Ok, so you want a mature post, right? Here is my response to your original question.

Our human body is made to be omnivorous ! We have canines in our buccal cavity...their sole purpose is to break the meat...our digestive system is "designed" to digest meat..we have different acids SPECIFICALLY for digestion of the meat... So why would God give us all these things , if he had wanted us to eat Vegetarian only? Remember , God never gives us anything for no reason..right?

There is enough scientific research done to prove that our teeth are made to be herbivorous. Now since you say you're very well-informed, lets presume you're right. Perhaps we do have a built-in feature that can eat/digest meat as well. But we also have a built-in animal instinct that brings forth the brute force to kill another human being and eat him/her up as well. Why did God give us that sort of strength? God gives us things for a reason, so do we start preying on other human beings? Just because we have this kind of feature in us (according to you), doesn't mean we become the judges on how its to be used.

Jī▫a baḏẖahu so ḏẖaram kar thāpahu aḏẖram kahhu kaṯ bẖā▫ī.

You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?

Āpas ka▫o munivar kar thāpahu kā ka▫o kahhu kasā▫ī. ||2||

You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? ||2||

Bhagat Kabeer jee here considers killing any living being as unrighteous action. Some who eat favor meat eating go ahead and ask "what about plants?" That is another topic which I don't want to divulge into as it would break out into a meat debate (something the Sikhsangat.com rules and guidelines don't really gel with).

Kabīr bẖāʼng mācẖẖulī surā pān jo jo parānī kẖāʼnhi.

Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine -

Ŧirath baraṯ nem kī▫e ṯe sabẖai rasāṯal jāʼnhi. ||233||

no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||

Well known scholars like Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha have translated bẖāʼng as meat, although some other scholars are content is accepting its translation as the regular "bhang" drink.

There is a detailed discussion on what you're looking for over here:

Hope that helps. Let us know if it doesn't, and your next question/thread will be awaited.

[HKaur16]

In a spiritual sense, meat is not allowed because of daya, compassion. As someone previously posted, the human mind has evolved to understand compassion. Thats why we don't go barbarically killing our neighbors. For a Sikh the ultimate goal is to reach Waheguru. So in order to do that we need gunn (qualities).

Gurbani says:

ਵਿਣੁ ਗੁਣ ਕੀਤੇ ਭਗਤਿ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥

Vin Gun Keethae Bhagath N Hoe ||

Without virtue, there is no devotional worship.

from Jap Ji Sahib.

If we are to go and kill and eat animals who feel pain which has been proven, then we cannot posses the Gun needed for Bhagati because the compassion isn't there. I don't want this to turn into a meat debate so I wont elaborate further. But as for your question that God gave us the ability to break down protiens why not use it, well God gave us Maya, God created ego, lust, emotional attachment, greed, and anger. But that doesn't mean use it.

I will use an example of Islam, do not take it that I am attacking or anything just an example which will help understand.

The Koran prohibits Muslims from eating pork. Why? Theres two answers given. Because Allah said so. And that pig is unhealthy for a human body due to the internal structures of the pig. I am not going to explain too much on why because you should know this. Well if we use your logic then shouldn't Muslims be allowed to eat pork because pork can be digested ?

Meat of any sort is very very unhealthy for Human body not just Pork and bacon. Which is why Sikhs do not do anything which can cause harm to our body.

Sikhism prohibiting meat does not contradict the idea that the Creator is perfect, therefore he created the body of the creation perfect. Its not a mistake we have hair in "unwanted" places.