Osho on Guru Nanak Dev Ji

[Consciousness]

I agree ^................Also please keep in mind of the jeevan's of people you are getting spiritual wisdom from. *cough* Osho *cough*.

Well if you are going to play the jeevan card; I don't know anyone who followed all rehats of guru sahib. Who has kept sarbloh bibek ALL the time, who only followed the true guru (larivaar saroop), who ONLY sung keertan in raag.

We must follow all hukams of guru sahib so we get sachkand - without this maximum one can get is KARAM KHAND!

*cough* many 'sants' and bhai sahibs *cough*.

You need to learn how to take the good stuff from other people DO NOT LOOK AT THEIR DOWNFALLS.

Satguru mehar Karan

Daas

Consciousness

[Only five]

I agree ^................Also please keep in mind of the jeevan's of people you are getting spiritual wisdom from. *cough* Osho *cough*.

What Osho believes in and his jeevan are two different topics here. Surely what Osho believes effects Osho's jeevan and his jeevan becomes what he believes. But if he had bowed to Satguru, then his beliefs would not hinder him to progress further and create a jeevan, where he denies the fundamental teachings of Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj. Osho didn't have a foundation and then created a faulty foundation to create the final product, which was his jeevan. Hence the stress comes on how he is a preacher of kachi Bani.

The 24th pauri (as presented above) of Sri Anand Sahib is speaking about a person's jeevan, but only as a result of what they believe and tell others what to believe according to their own understanding of Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj.

Speaking in general..........

If a Sikh denied Sarbloh Bibek then they would also be preaching Kachi Bani, but not to the extreme as Osho's did, who completely denied Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj by calling satguru dead. There is a huge difference here and this can't be covered up with a white sheet. And the Sarbloh Bibek example is only presented here to give an excuse to people who have a desire to listen to Kachi Bani. Another excuse is to say take the good from the bad. This excuse is very subjective as it depends on a person's understanding of Sikhi (what is good and bad in Sikhi for them). Again this takes us back to the 24th pauri..........why is it called Kachi Bani.........because the person....like Osho's when he speaks it has no Gurbani backing and if what he says matches with Gurbani, it is only because he agrees with himself (with his mind after meditating without the True Guru) and doesn't care what Gurbani says. If he cared about what Gurbani says, then he would have said Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj is not dead and is alive just like Gurbani tells us.

Getting spiritual wisdom from a person who doesn't care for what your Guru says is another issue here with Osho that every Sikh should have. But just like a BWM can be maya, so can knowledge be maya for a Sikh as they lose the plot and chase after knowledge, rather than listening to Satguru's Bani. Again your choice.........do as you wish..........but leave poorly made up excuses like saying Sarbloh bibek after every sentence out of it.

[N30S1NGH]

Dude you got too much time on your hands..you are sure you are not posting from your sachkhand? hows it up there? do you get tea or sukha there? how about samundar? how's internet connection up there? super fast? Can i play call of duty game there? is it allowed?...mega lol :lol: :lol:

[Consciousness]

Dude you got too much time on your hands..you are sure you are not posting from your sachkhand? hows it up there? do you get tea or sukha there? how about samundar? how's internet connection up there? super fast? Can i play call of duty game there? is it allowed?...mega lol :lol: :lol:

Sachkand is full of naam abiaas jans all doing sas gras simran. Sachkand is a gurdwara and guru sahib is there and all the bhagats are sitting around him going waheguru waheguroooo guru wahe gurvah!

Begampura is another name of this place - no death, no old age, no tax etc. They are all kings there and guru sahib is the king of kings. Only bhagats who kept all rehat are there! Other people or religions and also sikh bhagats that did not keep sarbloh, raag kirtan etc are in karam khand,

Karam khand is like a barrier..You can get anything you want down there! All desires are fulfilled.

Satguru mehar karan

Daas

Consciousness

[N30S1NGH]

also sikh bhagats that did not keep sarbloh, raag kirtan etc are in karam khand

So its pretty much empty then as i personally don't know any gurmukhs who kept sarbloh and also did raag kirtan? Do you have any examples who is in the sackhand at the moment besides you off course? :lol2:

[Consciousness]

So its pretty much empty then as i personally don't know any gurmukhs who kept sarbloh and also did raag kirtan? Do you have any examples who is in the sackhand at the moment besides you off course? :lol2:

They are gupt and nirlep. Virlea kai ke

I hope daas has inspired you to now obey all of guru sahib's hukams? Otherswise the gates to sackhand for you will be closed if hukams are not followed.

[sukhjeevansingh]

correct me if your saying that..kabeer sahib is stuck in karam khand? even after achieving the avastha of?

jo bolath hai mrig meen pa(n)khaeroo s bin har jaapath hai nehee hor ||3|| Whatever the deer, the fish and the birds sing, they chant to the Lord, and no other. ||3||

when the sidhs asked sri guru nanak dev jee maharaj wat their shakti was, their path was.. they didnt say sarbloh bhandeh,

they said: hau japiyaa parmesaro bhau bhagath sang tharhee layee

lost the plot ,too many people going on a hype questioning EVERYONE, not worrying about themselves. big difference between jeevan of guru ke sikhs and osho. the highest sikhi -the sikhi of guru nanak is practised by a brahmgiani. they only become brahmgiani through kirpa of guru nanak dev jee.. all our attempts are just to get the kirpa of guru nanak dev jee maharaj. ideally we shud all do everything maharaj has said, realistically who can? Maharaj themselves. Mahapurkhs that are guru ke sikh have spent countless janams 'impressing' maharaj to get this stage..and yu think guru nanak wouldnt let them into sachkhand?

to say that everyones stuck in karamkhand and theres some secret people who followed every bachan of guru sahib is ridiculous. look up karam siddhant, once a person reaches brahmgian karams cease to affect them. mahapurkh pursue rehat for their prem of gursikhi, of the bachan of guru sahib and to teach us...however even if they dont it doesnt matter because they've reached the destination, the passport/criminal record haha doesnt matter anymore. at that stage:

eaekaa bakhas fir bahur n bulaavai ||3|| He forgives, once and for all, and never asks for one's account again. ||3||

once maharaj forgives yu, gives their bakshish.. yur notsubejct to lekha jokha..

to get that bakshish how ever much ability maharaj gives us, we all try to impress them by listening and adhering to as much of rehat maryada, gursikhi de sidhant as we can. no one but satguru sahib jee is perfect..but once their bakshish happens then all else ceases and nothing really matters.

[SheikhFareed]

They are gupt and nirlep. Virlea kai ke

I hope daas has inspired you to now obey all of guru sahib's hukams? Otherswise the gates to sackhand for you will be closed if hukams are not followed.

Conciousness...you say that Osho is amazing yes. and then this whole thread changes in to who goes sachkand or not...guess osho isnt there, doubt he sung in raag or kept sarbloh??

[Consciousness]

correct me if your saying that..kabeer sahib is stuck in karam khand? even after achieving the avastha of?

jo bolath hai mrig meen pa(n)khaeroo s bin har jaapath hai nehee hor ||3|| Whatever the deer, the fish and the birds sing, they chant to the Lord, and no other. ||3||

when the sidhs asked sri guru nanak dev jee maharaj wat their shakti was, their path was.. they didnt say sarbloh bhandeh,

they said: hau japiyaa parmesaro bhau bhagath sang tharhee layee

lost the plot ,too many people going on a hype questioning EVERYONE, not worrying about themselves. big difference between jeevan of guru ke sikhs and osho. the highest sikhi -the sikhi of guru nanak is practised by a brahmgiani. they only become brahmgiani through kirpa of guru nanak dev jee.. all our attempts are just to get the kirpa of guru nanak dev jee maharaj. ideally we shud all do everything maharaj has said, realistically who can? Maharaj themselves. Mahapurkhs that are guru ke sikh have spent countless janams 'impressing' maharaj to get this stage..and yu think guru nanak wouldnt let them into sachkhand?

to say that everyones stuck in karamkhand and theres some secret people who followed every bachan of guru sahib is ridiculous. look up karam siddhant, once a person reaches brahmgian karams cease to affect them. mahapurkh pursue rehat for their prem of gursikhi, of the bachan of guru sahib and to teach us...however even if they dont it doesnt matter because they've reached the destination, the passport/criminal record haha doesnt matter anymore. at that stage:

eaekaa bakhas fir bahur n bulaavai ||3|| He forgives, once and for all, and never asks for one's account again. ||3||

once maharaj forgives yu, gives their bakshish.. yur notsubejct to lekha jokha..

to get that bakshish how ever much ability maharaj gives us, we all try to impress them by listening and adhering to as much of rehat maryada, gursikhi de sidhant as we can. no one but satguru sahib jee is perfect..but once their bakshish happens then all else ceases and nothing really matters.

Conciousness...you say that Osho is amazing yes. and then this whole thread changes in to who goes sachkand or not...guess osho isnt there, doubt he sung in raag or kept sarbloh??

Anyone including Bhai sahib Osho Ji or any 'sant' or bhai sahib that doesn't follow all rehats can not obtain sachkand. He maybe got karam khand but so does any sikh who doesn't follow all rehats like sarbloh bibek, raag kirtan, larivaar saroop etc. But we can still learn from these people use them as case studies and improve our jeevans to be better than theirs so we can obtain sachkand.

Sukhjeevan singh Ji; Bhagt kabir ji became a sikh he was contemporary of guru sahib. Therefore bhagat kabir ji kept all rehats- he clearly must of learnt kirtan in raag, kept sarbloh bibek. He talks about satguru and of course he is referring to Guru nanak dev ji .

Without rehat there can be no prem for guru sahib.. The sidhas were not sikhs let alone amritdhari - ONLY once they became sikh and surrendered to guru sahib surely they would have been given these rehats. People say they follow guru nanak's sikhi but are they really? Some say they follow guru gobind singh ji's sikhi. Sikhi is one - we can't pick and choose which rehat to follow or not.

Mahapurakh is one who follows ALL REHAT - otherwise they are not a sant.

[GuptUnknown]

Anyone including Bhai sahib Osho Ji or any 'sant' or bhai sahib that doesn't follow all rehats can not obtain sachkand. He maybe got karam khand but so does any sikh who doesn't follow all rehats like sarbloh bibek, raag kirtan, larivaar saroop etc. But we can still learn from these people use them as case studies and improve our jeevans to be better than theirs so we can obtain sachkand.

Sukhjeevan singh Ji; Bhagt kabir ji became a sikh he was contemporary of guru sahib. Therefore bhagat kabir ji kept all rehats- he clearly must of learnt kirtan in raag, kept sarbloh bibek. He talks about satguru and of course he is referring to Guru nanak dev ji .

Without rehat there can be no prem for guru sahib.. The sidhas were not sikhs let alone amritdhari - ONLY once they became sikh and surrendered to guru sahib surely they would have been given these rehats. People say they follow guru nanak's sikhi but are they really? Some say they follow guru gobind singh ji's sikhi. Sikhi is one - we can't pick and choose which rehat to follow or not.

Mahapurakh is one who follows ALL REHAT - otherwise they are not a sant.

Im guessing you carry a 3 foot sword with you at all times.....