Letter from Rami Ranger to SPGC to ban Kirpan !

[Pyara]

Dr Rami Rangar is also on the Committee for the Hindu Forum of Britain. Perhaps that's where the confusion lies, he's not sure what he should follow!!

http://www.hinduforu...x?sID=834&lID=0

[Singh559]

He should be exposed on public stage as a non-Sikh. It's clear that his allegiance lies with hindu organizations instead of GurSikhi.

The thing is these guys are very stubborn and are very few in numbers, but hope if they're stubborn enough people who don't know better might agree with them. Sikhs in UK need to take all legal, diplomatic and media avenues to bar this individual so he realizes his mistake of messing with a kakaar of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji given to his Sikhs!

Law allows for Kirpan and shastar, especially here in USA, but this masand is aligning with hindu organizations and is trying to ban the kirpan.

THIS INDIVIDUAL WON'T SUCCEED, BUT IS JUST TRYING TO CREATE CONFUSION AND GET A REACTION FROM SANGAT SO HE CAN LEGITIMIZE WHAT HE'S SAYING.

Do not act in haste, but instead properly shut up this clown by exposing him on all Sikh channels, news papers and diplomatically. Even pursue a legal case against him if you can.

With this said Hindus are our brothers/sisters although we have different religions and beliefs, we should have mutual respect. It's sad that the Hindu organization is catering to an individual who is against Sikhs.

We should also send 10 Amritdhari Khalsa (perhaps woman and men) to the Hindu Forum of Britain with love and discuss this issue and ask them to stop catering to a controversial figure as they may be seen as racist if they do so.

I'm sure they are open minded and would understand.

[Singh559]

What I've noticed is some of these so called "Sikhs" are usually just bum-hurt over being put down or feel threatened for whatever reason. If they say something stupid, don't give them an excuse to justify whatever skewed illogical stuff they're saying, because other people who may not previously agree with them will end up agreeing with them.

Quite simply, don't get hot headed/emotional. "Tera Kiya Meeta Laage, Har Naam Padharat Nanak Maange"

http://www.sikhnet.c...iya-meetha-lage

Take what venom they spew as sweet and reply with appropriate action.

[lsingh]

There seems to be full on assault on the Sikh religion from these people that try to mix up Hindu and Sikh beliefs, whether its the RSS, Sanatan lot or the fake Babas and Sants.

[KhalistaniGunMan]

There seems to be full on assault on the Sikh religion from these people that try to mix up Hindu and Sikh beliefs, whether its the RSS, Sanatan lot or the fake Babas and Sants.

depends in what sense you define hindu...as a religous term, a geographical term or a cultural term

[Singh559]

It (Hinduism) is like the boa constrictor of the Indian forests. When a petty enemy appears to worry it, it winds round its opponent, crushes it in its folds, and finally causes it to disappear in its capacious interior....Hinduism has embraced Sikhism in its folds; the still comparatively young religion is making a vigorous struggle for life, but its ultimate destruction is, it is apprehended, inevitable without State support." (Max Arthur Macauliffe, 1903)

jab lag khhaalasaa rehae niaaraa ||

thab lag thaej keeo mai(n) saaraa ||

jab eih gehai biparan kee reeth ||

mai(n) n karo(n) ein kee pratheeth ||

[Mehtab Singh]

Ohhhhhh! Mr. Rami Ranger!!!! Descendant of Mr. Massa Ranghar?!?!?!?! Helloooo sir, myself Mehtab Singh, remember that name???? Your Mr. Ranghar senior would never forget this name, is that why you have a problem with kirpan???? Really?!?!?!?!?! Ahhhh I thought so tooo!!!!

[Guest]

Ohhhhhh! Mr. Rami Ranger!!!! Descendant of Mr. Massa Ranghar?!?!?!?! Helloooo sir, myself Mehtab Singh, remember that name???? Your Mr. Ranghar senior would never forget this name, is that why you have a problem with kirpan???? Really?!?!?!?!?! Ahhhh I thought so tooo!!!!

Lol

[KhalistaniGunMan]

It (Hinduism) is like the boa constrictor of the Indian forests. When a petty enemy appears to worry it, it winds round its opponent, crushes it in its folds, and finally causes it to disappear in its capacious interior....Hinduism has embraced Sikhism in its folds; the still comparatively young religion is making a vigorous struggle for life, but its ultimate destruction is, it is apprehended, inevitable without State support." (Max Arthur Macauliffe, 1903)

jab lag khhaalasaa rehae niaaraa ||

thab lag thaej keeo mai(n) saaraa ||

jab eih gehai biparan kee reeth ||

mai(n) n karo(n) ein kee pratheeth ||

bro be careful quoting max arthurs work...the singh sahbha laid most of its foundation on his interpretation of sikhi...which is very christian protestant like...what the firangi like max arthur failed to understand is that hindu was not ever considered as a religon before they classified it as such...as there is an unlimited number of panths all of which are accepted within the hindu traditions...no other so called 'religion' has such a vast quantity of groups all claiming to follow truth and all being accepted as different paths to the truth...this supports the claims that hindu is not a religion ...but more of a cultural/geographical term ...

[Jonny101]

bro be careful quoting max arthurs work...the singh sahbha laid most of its foundation on his interpretation of sikhi...which is very christian protestant like...what the firangi like max arthur failed to understand is that hindu was not ever considered as a religon before they classified it as such...as there is an unlimited number of panths all of which are accepted within the hindu traditions...no other so called 'religion' has such a vast quantity of groups all claiming to follow truth and all being accepted as different paths to the truth...this supports the claims that hindu is not a religion ...but more of a cultural/geographical term ...

Max Arthur did not lay the foundation of Singh Sabha, please read some history books. If Singh Sabha is protestant does that make the Sanatanists Catholics?

Modern UK niddarists are trying to change what Hindus are by claiming that it is not a religion but a geographic term in order to blur the distinction of Sikhs from the Hindus. They are trying to say that Hindu is not really a religion but a geographical location (i.e. India) and since Sikhs are mostly from India then Sikhs are also Hindus. This type of logic is pure hogwash.. It simply does not make sense make sense if you put Sikh scriptures in the equation.

In Gurbani we have famous Tukhs like Hindu anna, turku Kaana meaning the Hindu is blind since he does not beleive in Vaheguru, and the Mussalmaan(turk) is one eyed since he at least believes in God. So Hindu here is used to denote a religious community, not a geographic location since Sikhs were also in that same geographic location as Hindus. Further, in Gurbani Guru Jee says Na Hum Hindu, Na Mussalmaan (I am neither Hindu nor Muslim). Again, Hindu here implies a religious group as is Mussalmaan(Muslim).

Listen to what Sant Bhindranwale has to say on this matter:

Sant Jee was not education by Singh Sabha, he got all his understanding of Sikhi from Taksal from which even Nihangs study from. And since niddarists have an alergy to Singh Sabha, they at least cannot accuse Sant Jernail Singh Bhindranwale of being Singh Sabha influenced. Even the Nihangs in India are not in agreement with the niddarist interpretation. Even they say Sikh Panth is the teesr Panth(the 3rd and distinct Panth), implying that it is distinct from the other two Panths i.e. Islam and Hinduism.