Simran before or after paat? Experiences and opinions please.

[dalsingh101]

What have you experiences been in respect to doing simran (naam japping) before or after paat?

I know we aim to do it rom rom 24 hours, but until some of us amateurs get there (if we are graced to that is), what have the regularly practicing simran sangat's experiences been?

Does order matter? Do we have a choice? How does it make a difference? etc. etc.

Please share your thoughts and experiences.

[Singh559]

I'd love to know as well. I sometimes do it before and sometimes after. It feels better/i feel more concentrated if I do it after. Then again, I have no idea.

[alias]

i dont have experiences. but i no of some. so i can share.

the last thing you should do before you sleep is simran. and fall asleep doing simran. then the first thing u should do wen u wake up is simran too. then, it will be as if you have dont simran the entire night. and we all know how hard it would be to do that many hours simran. (eventually, as u increase in the simran levels, avastha, you will after a few years of this type of simran, need no sleep. but this is rare to come accross a person that does this kind of simran. simran takes a new meaning and shape as u increase.. in avastha..... it is reletivey easy to get to this level. simran is too massive. o so massive. you can quicky learn to control the way in which simran takes shape. and manifests. this is how u get simple rid sid involving seemingly high level things. such as future, and control over people. this is the test naam simran gives you via its duty under hukam of god. this is also things that will hold you back. which is the basic reason why control and focus is needed. this can happen duringthe day walking around when you dont expect it. its not just during naam simran. as most think.

if you can manage (its hard to get into this dicipline) to automtically start ur naam simrn the first thing in the morning when you are stil 70% or so dazed, then you can fast track your dasam dwaar opeing. (which is btw, the first step of the journey. after all, you have to get our of your house to make the journey).

so naam simran before anything, is very importent. and personally, i believe that this is how it is. then you do your 5 bania, which have the function of starting your jup, then to get the motor going, i.e. the jaaaap, then after your jaap is going, viraag comes via the sraavag sudh savayae, then once your virag is there, you do the true benti which no one can reely tell you. the benti chaupi till 'chaupi ko kehe' has the functionof asisting us to get this one true benti out of us. then when god himself listens to that benti, you will be in anand. this is function of the 5 bania. (amongst other functions). simple thing, if u wana feel the pwer of naam simran, do 1 extra japji sahib a day, if u wana open your dasam dwaar, all u have to do 10 xtra jupji sahibs a day. just after a month and a week, if done with true reverence, your dwaar will open. needlss to say distractions from mind and body and heart, must be absent. even in the nidst of these distractions. (i regrettably give the metaphore, walk into a bro thel and feel no lust or dissgust. then you know you are truely above these things. i am not saying do this, just saying, it should be at this level.)

so.. naam simran before 5 bania, then 5 bania, then naam simran afterwards too. (possibly to stabalise your change in avastha during your nitnem).

id sugggest mool mantar (nanak hosi pi such) to fuel your gurmantar. so, 1 mool amntar should last you 'so many' minutes, or tens of minutes.

i do wish you well on your journey, but will stress, naam is gods. not ours. hence we cnnot have any kamaaee. also, we cannot keep it anyway, so this all boils down to, tek the naam guru lets you jup, and give it back to guru G seeing as we will eventually loose it. its not ours to begin with.. rub da naam hai. sada nehi

dhan guru

[Premi5]

@dallysingh101

Bump

@BhForce, what do you say?

it makes more sense to me that Simran would be first as it’s ‘simpler’ but reciting Gurbani first can also put one in the right mindset to do Simran properly 

[dallysingh101]

On 1/1/2023 at 9:33 AM, Premi5 said:

Gurbani first can also put one in the right mindset to do Simran properly 

This is true. 

 

I think also doing simran after helps with stilling the mind. It's like paat conditions the mind for the subsequent practice of stillness.  

But all said and done, however anyone is doing it, the fact that they at all is great. 

[BhForce]

14 hours ago, Premi5 said:

it makes more sense to me that Simran would be first as it’s ‘simpler’ but reciting Gurbani first can also put one in the right mindset to do Simran properly 

As far as I can see, Gurbani recommends both approaches. Basically:

Question:Gurbani or Gurmanter?

Answer: Yes.

 

ਮਃ ੪ ॥
4th Guru.
ਗੁਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਜੋ ਸਿਖੁ ਅਖਾਏ ਸੁ ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥
He, who calls himself a Sikh of the Great True Guru, should rise early and meditate on God's Name.
ਉਦਮੁ ਕਰੇ ਭਲਕੇ ਪਰਭਾਤੀ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਕਰੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਰਿ ਨਾਵੈ ॥
He should make efforts early in the morning take bath and have ablution in the tank of Nectar.
ਉਪਦੇਸਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੁ ਜਾਪੈ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਦੋਖ ਲਹਿ ਜਾਵੈ ॥
By repeating Lords God's Name under Guru's instruction all his sins misdeeds and accusations are wiped off.
ਫਿਰਿ ਚੜੈ ਦਿਵਸੁ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਵੈ ਬਹਦਿਆ ਉਠਦਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥
Afterwards at sun rise he sings Gurbani and whilst sitting or standing he meditates in God's Name. p305

 

Kabir ji:

ਕੋਈ ਗਾਵੈ ਕੋ ਸੁਣੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥
Some sing, some listen while focusing the mind on God's Name.
ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਸੰਸਾ ਨਹੀ ਅੰਤਿ ਪਰਮ ਗਤਿ ਪਾਇ ॥੪॥੧॥੪॥੫੫॥
Says Kabir, doubtlessly (both) obtain the highest state at last. p335

[BhForce]

On 10/3/2012 at 3:16 PM, alias said:

the last thing you should do before you sleep is simran. and fall asleep doing simran. then the first thing u should do wen u wake up is simran too.

Yes, this is what Guru ji says:

ਸਉਦੇ ਵਾਹੁ ਵਾਹੁ ਉਚਰਹਿ ਉਠਦੇ ਭੀ ਵਾਹੁ ਕਰੇਨਿ ॥
Such people (uchreh) utter (vaahu vaahu) praises of the Almighty (saude) when going to sleep and (karen) do it (uthde) when they get up;

ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇ ਮੁਖ ਉਜਲੇ ਜਿ ਨਿਤ ਉਠਿ ਸੰਮਾਲੇਨਿ ॥੧॥
Nanak bright are the faces of those who daily arise early and remember God. p312

[MokhamSingh]

Sant Isher Singh Rara Sahib instructed the Sangat to engage in Waheguru Jaap first.

Then followed by Gurbani Jaap.

[BhForce]

On 9/29/2012 at 6:14 AM, dalsingh101 said:

What have you experiences been in respect to doing simran (naam japping) before or after paat?

It should also be mentioned that the maryada (which probably most of us don't follow, but the puratan Singhs in the homeland do) is to listen Asa di Vaar in the morning, and you can do simran while you are doing so.

[brotha]

Gurbani is very clear regarding this question when it says:

SAAS SAAS SIMROH GOVIND

There is no any  before or after this or that as such thing, Simran is the foremost expression of love and devotion to Guru Jee and Waheguru at all times, it is our only link with the Lord, all other things are surplus.

When we shall  leave this world, it is only the wealth of Simran of His Name  gathered,  that which will count up there, nothing more, nothing less.