Brar - 4 arrested

[lsingh]

Many of those were arrested were for immigration offences so not exactly sure who has been arrested for what. These are the lowest in society and are probably to scared to say anything.

All very strange. Britain lost a contract to supply the Typhoon fighter plane to France earlier in the year maybe an attempt to win back favour with India for more contracts?

[Singh559]

http://www.met.police.uk/pressbureau/Bur05/page03.htm

UPDATE:

Detectives continue to appeal for witnesses and information after an attempted murder in central London.

Police were called at approx 22:40hrs on Sunday 30 September to reports of a man assaulted in Old Quebec Street W1, near the junction with Oxford Street.

An Indian national who is visiting London was with his wife when they were approached by four men.

He was assaulted with what is believed to be a knife or sharp implement and suffered a wound on his neck. His wife was not injured in the attack.

The four men are described as being of Asian appearance, and were wearing dark clothing and long black jackets. They all had long beards. One of the men is described as younger and slimmer than the other three. They all fled in the direction of Oxford Street.

Officers and London Ambulance Service attended the scene and the 78 year old victim was taken to hospital where he received treatment and was later discharged.

Detectives are keen to speak to anyone who was in the area at the time or who may have information about the incident.

In particular they want to speak to those people who assisted the wife and the victim at the scene following the attack.

Any witnesses or anyone with information can contact police on 101; if you wish to remain anonymous please call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

+ On 4 October three men and a woman were arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to murder in connection with the investigation:

One man [A - 33 ys] and the woman were arrested at a residential address in Wolverhampton.

Two other men [C - 34 ys; D - 25 ys] were arrested after being stopped in a car on a street in West Bromwich.

On 5 October two people were arrested at 00:30hrs at a residential address in Hillingdon borough. A man [E - 42 ys] was arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender and a woman [F - 38 ys] was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to murder.

A further three men [G - 34 ys; H - 30 ys; I - 37 ys] were arrested at 01:00hrs on the street on Queensdale Road W11 on suspicion of conspiracy to murder.

At 05:00hrs three people were arrested at a residential address in Holland Park. Two men [J - 33 ys;

K - 31 ys] were arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to murder. One man [L - 20 ys] was arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender.

A further three men aged [M - 45 ys; N - 29 ys; O - 28 ys] were arrested at the same address on suspicion of immigration matters unconnected with investigation into the attempted murder.

All were taken into custody at police stations in central London and west London.

M/N/O were referred to the UK Border Agency; the other persons were all interviewed by the MPS.

A/C/D remain in custody. B/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L are now bailed to return in November pending further inquiries

[singh211]

Singho the criticism of the Sikh jathebandees and SCUK etc in this thread is not warranted a lot of work is going on behind the scenes including meetings with the authorities - statements will be made soon I understand

[lsingh]

Good to hear. In future a holding statement such as 'we are monitoring the situation and cannot make public discussion yet' would be good idea.

[Singh559]

Singho the criticism of the Sikh jathebandees and SCUK etc in this thread is not warranted a lot of work is going on behind the scenes including meetings with the authorities - statements will be made soon I understand

Thank you for this post.

I guess sangat thought there was nothing happening and if they made a comment as such it would send a nudge for action.

Guess most were wrong and Sikh jathebandis have been quietly and assuredly been doing work. Chardi kalaa

[Mehtab Singh]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19856526

9 released on bail

[Only five]

Some advise for those who have been released on bail. Do not use any kind of form of communication for a long time because the cops are tracking you. If you choose to speak about what the police have said to you, then speak to a trusted Sikh channel that will put you on live and then play your story as you are telling them.

You are only on bail, so the police can get further so called suspicion information on you. Who you speak to, what you purchase, and where you go will and can be used against you to make up the stories they want too and then throw you into prison. Honestly the best thing for you is to either sit in a public place where many witnesses can see you and identify you were there. Go to work, go to the grocery stores, but don't try to meet anyone secretly. You are being watched. They already have gotten warrants to listen into your phone calls, so tell family members to stay quiet. Go as nothing happened..........you didn't get arrested. If any gossiping family member calls, tell them to get lost and hang up.

If you want to talk to a person about what happened, then make sure its in a public place, where they can't record what your saying. They are looking for any kind of information to charge you for something you didn't do. Or talk to someone in an isolated private area.

Again be safe and don't incriminate yourself. Also have some way to make sure your where abouts are backed up by witnesses. Also get yourself a good lawyer. They can advise you further on what is the best steps to take.

[Singh559]

http://www.panthic.org/articles/5467

SIKH GROUPS REQUEST PROSECUTION OF FORMER INDIAN GENERAL BRAR AS WAR CRIMINAL

THE LINK PAPER | Published on October 6, 2012

KS Brar : Guilty of War Crimes

NEW YORK, NY – While former Indian Lt. Gen. KS Brar, who led the raid on Sikhs’ holiest place the Golden Temple in 1984, is crying foul after claiming to be attacked in London, British Sikh rights group has approached The Queen of England requesting her to order the arrest and prosecution of Brar for committing serious war crimes during attack on Golden Temple (Operation Blue Star) in June 1984.

Sikhs for Justice (SFJ) a human rights group which is leading an international campaign to prosecute those involved in violation of human rights against Sikhs, in a letter written to The Queen chronicled the details of horrific human rights abuses committed by the Indian Army led by Brar.

Making a case before The Queen for directing arrest and prosecution of Brar, SFJ’s letter, States that Brar is a “War Criminal” with regard to leading army attack – Operation Blue Star on the basis of : a) the choice of time of attack; b) heavy civilian casualties; and c) serious human rights violations committed by the Indian Army.

"Brar planned the attack on a day on which Golden Temple is most visited, most crowded and most occupied by innocent Sikh pilgrims and civilians who gather to commemorate martyrdom of 5th Sikh Guru Arjun Dev Ji"

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The letter to The Queen requests her Majesty to direct prosecution of Brar as “War Criminal” because “During the first week of June 1984, Indian Army under the command of Lt. Gen. K.S. Brar, attacked the Golden Temple, the holiest Sikh Shrine in the city of Amritsar. The attack on Golden Temple was planned to flush out Sikhs who were demanding right to self determination. While human rights groups and journalists claim that well over 5000 Sikh pilgrims were killed by the Indian Army during Operation Blue Star, BBC reports that “about 1,000 people were killed in the ensuing struggle, including women and children on pilgrimage and soldiers”. (BBC news report dated October 01, 2012 – “Indian general who led Golden Temple raid stabbed in London”). As per the same report, Lt. Gen. Brar was one of the “key architects of the operation [blue Star]”. Brar planned the attack on a day on which Golden Temple is most visited, most crowded and most occupied by innocent Sikh pilgrims and civilians who gather to commemorate martyrdom of 5th Sikh Guru Arjun Dev Ji.”

Attorney Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, legal advisor to SFJ who practices human rights law in US stated that during the attack on Golden Temple a large number of those murdered were women and children who were first caged and then shot at point blank by the Indian army. The army under the command of Brar unleashed a wave of terror which included not only murdering of pilgrims inside the Golden Temple but also the killing of unarmed Sikhs in localities surrounding Golden Temple, as reported by Mark Tully of BBC. We have approached the UK Government to declare Brar as “War Criminal” and prosecute him.

Appreciating the exemplary prosecutions of the Nazi War Criminals by the Western countries, Jatinder Singh Grewal, Director SFJ, urged the UK and European Governments to adopt the same policy towards those Indian Army personnel who attacked and invaded Golden Temple and committed serious war crimes including rape of Sikh women. Since Brar lead a deadly preplanned attack on the Sikh pilgrims in June 1984 which resulted in the deaths of thousands, International community should stand with the Sikhs for their demand to prosecute Brar as “War Criminal” added Grewal.

[AG51]

Can someone confirm what British law says about such scenarios? An ex-army officer from another country is on a personal trip is attacked and then discharged as his injuries are NOT life-threatening. Does the law require him to be present until arrests are made and he/she can identify his/her attackers? Or can he be let off depending solely on CCTV footage and that "cell phone" we never saw.

West London Singh, I think you have studied law? Can you please confirm and let us know? Or anyone else who has studied British law?

It looks like the cops will disclose their identity only once they're charged. Why haven't they been charged if they were arrested, and if there are no charges then how can they arrest? Is it arrest or detention?

Veer Mehtab Singh, if I may I would like to address some of the questions that you have raised. I am currently a Detective Constable in a Canadian Police Service. About 12 years ago, i spent 2 years working as a Police Officer for the London Met......this is the Police Agency investigating the Brar stabbing.

In terms of the incident itself, the matter was reported to the Police By Brar. This was most likely as a result of a 911 call to emergency services. The first officers attending the scene would deal with the victim and assisting paramedics to treat any injuires. Officers would immediately try to get a description of the suspect or suspects. This information is then communicated to other officers in the area and a search commences. In addition, the scene of the crime is locked down to preserve evidence. As the investigation continues, witness statements are obtained, any evidence at the scene is collected and most importantly video surveillance from surrounding buildings is gathered.

Once Brar registered the report, if medically cleared he is free to leave the country if he wishes. The matter will still be investigated as no person can consent to such as assault. Investigators would be in phone contact with Brar throughout the investigation to keep him updated. In terms of making an identification of the suspects, should the police require Brar to view a photo line up to see if he can recognise the men responsible for the crime, he may be asked to return to the UK. The police may have already made identifications through video surveillance and vehicle registration information and may not need Brar to identify the attcakers. In my experience short term memory in these type of scenarios is not reliable in making positive identifications and the Courts are now less reliant on victim identifications in such cases.

In terms of the arrests made in this case, the police require "reasonable grounds/suspicion" that the arrested person was involved in the crime. The police do not have to disclose to the public what evidence they have in order to make the arrests. At the arrest stage, all police have is a belief that the person is involved. The arrested people will be interviewed to see what they say.............they can say nothing.......have an alilbi ......or admit to what happended. Often, the arrested individuals will be bailed (released) to return to the police station in a few weeks. This gives the police a chance to further investigate any new information, an alibi or any other leads.

Basically as soon as there is a suspicion that someone has committed a crime the police can arrest. In order to charge that person with an offence the police must have evidence to support a prosecution of this person. So yes you can be arrested without be charged immediately. If the police don't find enough evidence or they find that the person is innocent they will be released without charge.

Hope this answers your questions.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh.

[Singh559]

AG51 - interesting post. Thanks for sharing your perspective based on your profession.

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http://thelinkpaper.ca/?p=22963

UK Sikh Groups Ask The Queen To Prosecute Former Indian General Brar As War Criminal

Appreciating the exemplary prosecutions of the Nazi War Criminals by the Western countries, Jatinder Singh Grewal, Director SFJ, urged the UK and European Governments to adopt the same policy towards those Indian Army personnel who attacked and invaded Golden Temple and committed serious war crimes including rape of Sikh women. Since Brar lead a deadly preplanned attack on the Sikh pilgrims in June 1984 which resulted in the deaths of thousands, International community should stand with the Sikhs for their demand to prosecute Brar as “War Criminal” added Grewal.

NEW YORK – While former Indian Lt. Gen. KS Brar, who led the raid on Sikhs’ holiest place the Golden Temple in 1984, is crying foul after being attacked in London, British Sikh rights group has approached The Queen of England requesting her to order the arrest and prosecution of Brar for committing serious war crimes during attack on Golden Temple (Operation Blue Star) in June 1984.

Sikhs for Justice (SFJ) a human rights group which is leading an international campaign to prosecute those involved in violation of human rights against Sikhs, in a letter written to The Queen chronicled the details of horrific human rights abuses committed by the Indian Army led by Brar.

Making a case before The Queen for directing arrest and prosecution of Brar, SFJ’s letter, States that Brar is a “War Criminal” with regard to leading army attack – Operation Blue Star on the basis of : a) the choice of time of attack; b) heavy civilian casualties; and c) serious human rights violations committed by the Indian Army.

The letter to The Queen requests her Majesty to direct prosecution of Brar as “War Criminal” because “During the first week of June 1984, Indian Army under the command of Lt. Gen. K.S. Brar, attacked the Golden Temple, the holiest Sikh Shrine in the city of Amritsar. The attack on Golden Temple was planned to flush out Sikhs who were demanding right to self determination. While human rights groups and journalists claim that well over 5000 Sikh pilgrims were killed by the Indian Army during Operation Blue Star, BBC reports that “about 1,000 people were killed in the ensuing struggle, including women and children on pilgrimage and soldiers”. (BBC news report dated October 01, 2012 – “Indian general who led Golden Temple raid stabbed in London”). As per the same report, Lt. Gen. Brar was one of the “key architects of the operation [blue Star]”. Brar planned the attack on a day on which Golden Temple is most visited, most crowded and most occupied by innocent Sikh pilgrims and civilians who gather to commemorate martyrdom of 5th Sikh Guru Arjun Dev Ji.”

Attorney Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, legal advisor to SFJ who practices human rights law in US stated that during the attack on Golden Temple a large number of those murdered were women and children who were first caged and then shot at point blank by the Indian army. The army under the command of Brar unleashed a wave of terror which included not only murdering of pilgrims inside the Golden Temple but also the killing of unarmed Sikhs in localities surrounding Golden Temple, as reported by Mark Tully of BBC. We have approached the UK Government to declare Brar as “War Criminal” and prosecute him.

Appreciating the exemplary prosecutions of the Nazi War Criminals by the Western countries, Jatinder Singh Grewal, Director SFJ, urged the UK and European Governments to adopt the same policy towards those Indian Army personnel who attacked and invaded Golden Temple and committed serious war crimes including rape of Sikh women. Since Brar lead a deadly preplanned attack on the Sikh pilgrims in June 1984 which resulted in the deaths of thousands, International community should stand with the Sikhs for their demand to prosecute Brar as “War Criminal” added Grewal.